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Don't Worry, I Found the REAL Tank Patch Notes

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by Klypto, Jun 13, 2014.

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Arkenbrien

Klypto said: ↑

“I think his statement was more on whether or not it was real.”

Oh. Oops, misinterpreted that one, if that was the case.

Sorry (if that was the case)!

Arkenbrien, Jun 15, 2014

#81
EliteEskimo
Aesir said: ↑

“Even if RadarX or any body else from SOE would post this as the future patch notes ...

I just would not believe it ... to good to be true. Yes sensible changes out of SOE are to good to be true ...

In the meantime ... the future of tank warfare ...

”

Lol, did you make that yourself? All I can say is that SOE is oblivious to what happens when tanks try to get closer while infantry AV is present in any medium to large sized battle. The outcome of coming closer to enemy tanks when infantry AV is present is show below.
- x 1
EliteEskimo, Jun 15, 2014

#82 Last edited by EliteEskimo, Jun 15, 2014
Klypto
ShureShot said: ↑

“While obviously better than the real (pts) patch notes, the numbers for the Magrider seem a bit weird. 'Mobility' is supposed to be the Magriders trait.

It (relatively) loses a lot of that when the other tanks get turret stabilization.

It's already the only tank that can't look behind when reversing (adding freelook would help so much).

And with the numbers you suggest, it will also reverse the slowest:

- V: 41-49-55 (bonus:14)
- P: 45-53-60 (bonus:15)
- M: 43-48-50 (bonus:7)

I just don't see why a heavier tank that already has an advantage in reversing by being able to look behind, should get a 14-15 kph bonus from rival, and the 'highly mobile hovertank' only 7. At least give the Magrider something for losing its one big advantage of being better at shooting on the move, it's now the low dps, low armor, low velocity, low inclination, blind AND slow reversing tank? Hill climbing, proper strafing, hovering over obstacles and good old afterburn jumping fun already went out the window long ago.The only 'trait' left is that it is the best at flipping.”

I already explained this here:

Klypto said: ↑

“You were right. I forgot to include vector addition or speed-strafing as a factor, and this throws off all of the numbers of what I posted.

I'm sorry, the Magrider does need to have it's Racer chassis reduced by 5 KPH and reverse speed to be 75% of it's forward speed like the other tanks instead of 85%. And unlike SOE I will fully explain why with a valid reason:

The current Magrider moves forward at 50 KPH and strafes at 20 KPH. When you move in two vectors at the same time, it increases your speed slightly. You can read the basics about it here.

A Magrider will be able to achieve about roughly 52-53 KPH as it's max speed. (2-3 KPH gain)

Currently with Rival (50 KPH) your strafe speed goes up to about 27 KPH and allows the Magrider to achieve 56 KPH as it's max speed through strafing. (6 KPH gain)

When you use Racer (65 KPH), it's less noticeable. At most your will probably achieve only 67-68 KPH. (2-3 KPH gain)

So to list it simply:

Stock (50) -> 52 (2 KPH gain)

Racer (65) -> 67 (2 KPH gain)

Rival (50) - > 56 (6 KPH gain)

Revers behaves somewhat similar.

Stock (32) -> 37 KPH (5 KPH gain)

Racer (36) -> 41 KPH (5 KPH gain)

Rival (41) - > 45 KPH (4 KPH gain)

====

With the changes I proposed, the base Magrider strafe speed will be 27 KPH with being able to go up to 35 KPH with Rival. This makes a notable difference.

The stock Magrider will be able to achieve in forwards movement:

Stock 50 -> 56 (6 KPH gain)

Racer 65 -> 70 (5 KPH gain)

Rival 50 -> 61 (11 KPH gain)

In reverse:

Stock (43) -> 50 (7 KPH gain)

Racer (48) -> 55 (7 KPH gain)

Rival (50) -> 61 (11 KPH gain)

This is a bit too much on Racer's part, as 70 KPH is something that is supposed to be for the Prowler. If racer was brought down 5 KPH, it will mostly level out with the other tank speeds. (Rival may still be a problem, but I'm ok with it I guess?)

There is a reason why the Magrider's forward movement speed is less than other tanks. The importance of it was mostly lost since they nerfed the strafe speed a long time ago, but if we want to buff it back up, those parts have to factor in again.

In review:

Magrider Racer speed reduced from 65 to 60

Magrider strafe speed increased to 27 KPH

Magrider Rival strafe speed increased to 35 KPH

Magrider Reverse speed increased from 32 KPH to 37 KPH (45KPH)

Magrider Racer Reverse speed increased from 36 KPH to 45 KPH (52KPH)

Magrider Rival Reverse speed increased from 41 KPH to 50 KPH (61 KPH)

Combat ranges on all weapons, including infantry weapons have been constantly reduced since Beta.

Tanks use to have 4x zoom. Most infantry guns use to actually have decent killing range and accuracy.”

The Magrider will be just about the fastest reversing tank within 1KPH, just not in a straight line.

I can't make the Magrider reverse faster or just as fast as it drives forward because that will be odd.
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Klypto, Jun 15, 2014

#83 Last edited by Klypto, Jun 15, 2014
vanu123

WTSherman said: ↑

“If it does go through like that, VS won't be able to complain about having the slowest tank anymore (though it was a dubious claim to begin with due to magburn and how Racer scaled better for them). By going diagonally they'll be able to hit a little over 70kph.”

We could only hit 70 going down hill. We average about 63 w/ racer.

vanu123, Jun 15, 2014

#84
WTSherman

vanu123 said: ↑

“We could only hit 70 going down hill. We average about 63 w/ racer.”

I was talking about after the speed buff in Klypto's "patch notes".

WTSherman, Jun 15, 2014

#85
Flag

vanu123 said: ↑

“We could only hit 70 going down hill. We average about 63 w/ racer.”

67 at an angle.

Flag, Jun 15, 2014

#86
vanu123

Flag said: ↑

“67 at an angle.”

Downhill.

vanu123, Jun 15, 2014

#87
Halkesh

I laugh when I see Klypto's false patchnote having 70 upvote while SOE have only 28. (I suppose these +28 are from engineer's ammo pack change)

-----------------

Hey, just a question about magrider.
Actually, the tank advantage are :
stabilized turret
strafing
better backpedal speed (~45kph with rival and strafing)
(other ?)

What will be the advantage / disadvantage of the maggy after the patch ?

Halkesh, Jun 16, 2014

#88
PastalavistaBB

Halkesh said: ↑

“*snip*
What will be the advantage / disadvantage of the maggy after the patch ?”

Being "Fabulous".

PastalavistaBB, Jun 16, 2014

#89 Last edited by PastalavistaBB, Jun 16, 2014
\m/SLAYER\m/

Dam, i spend certs for Rival Combat Chassis just for better reverse speed..

\m/SLAYER\m/, Jun 16, 2014

#90
MajiinBuu

Is this real life? Are these patch notes genuine?

MajiinBuu, Jun 16, 2014

#91
vsae

I wish SOE would actually see this and think.

vsae, Jun 16, 2014

#92
Flag

vanu123 said: ↑

“Downhill.”

No that was on flat terrain.

Flag, Jun 16, 2014

#93
Klypto

vanu123 said: ↑

“Downhill.”

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?goto/post&id=2749842#post-2749842

Klypto, Jun 16, 2014

#94
Mystogan

Eh..Klypto, I would love this patch-notes to be true. Vehicle designer from SOE can learn from you.

Hope you will be guys there (you and Alarox) to test "changes" on PTS this weekend.

Maybe devs will get some sense back

Mystogan, Jun 16, 2014

#95
Alarox
Mystogan said: ↑

“Eh..Klypto, I would love this patch-notes to be true. Vehicle designer from SOE can learn from you.

Hope you will be guys there (you and Alarox) to test "changes" on PTS this weekend.

Maybe devs will get some sense back”

I plan on making a comparison video of two side to side clips for each weapon. Comparing live/test versions so people will really understand the difference in drop/lead.

Of course, I plan on testing the stabilization and also laughing (and/or crying) over the absurdity of the reverse speed increases.
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Alarox, Jun 16, 2014

#96
vanu123

Klypto said: ↑

“

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?goto/post&id=2749842#post-2749842”

Can you link me to your "Real Patch Notes" I want to see where they are from the devs or some other reputable source please.

vanu123, Jun 16, 2014

#97
vanu123

Klypto said: ↑

“This is why the Enforcer change from a high powered rocket to basically a fracture max arm confused the crackers out of me. That seemed a lot more like a TR weapon than a NC one. Maybe if it did have quarter of the the mag size, a quarter of the fire rate and 4x the damage like a medium-type cannon it would make more sense.”

It confuses me why our 1 shot 1 kill saron was taken away without any imput or testing and it was turned into a spammy POS that no one wanted, only to be nerfed again.

vanu123, Jun 16, 2014

#98
Klypto

vanu123 said: ↑

“Can you link me to your "Real Patch Notes" I want to see where they are from the devs or some other reputable source please.”

That's this thread. It's a parody set of patch notes.

Klypto, Jun 16, 2014

#99
vanu123

Klypto said: ↑

“That's this thread. It's a parody set of patch notes.”

ok thanks I had a suspicion SOE would never do anything this nice for tankers.

vanu123, Jun 16, 2014

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