DominoDev wrote: I really really hope that this still stands, despite all the tantrums thrown by some people who seem to conviniently have missed that the OP also clearly states that they have TWO lvl 80 adventurers, and so is obviously not on some sort of crusade against adventurers. I did the factions with my carpenter - mainly because at first, the carpenter books didn't drop. I went very slowly, harvesting all my resources myself, which took some time on a lvl 30 adventurer. Despite this, and despite seeing links to the advanced furniture (no carpenter books on broker) AND provisioners making and selling the first batch of provisioner Kunark items... I still (as a craftsman) got server disco on a large number of items from the Kunark tradeskill writs. (if someone has missed it, carpenters and provisioners get the same writs in Kunark, as craftsmen rather than their specific class) I don't want this opportunity taken away from me in the future with any of my low adventure crafters, but if the vast majority of crafters buy these recipes with adventurer-gained faction, I can't see how SOE will want to justify spending any dev-time on creating writs or even alternative/additional crafting quests for crafters. Especially since they take over the board foaming at the mouth at the thought of doing any crafting for their recipes. It makes me sad, and I hope it won't mean that my low level adventure crafters will be excluded in the future because so few of us actually seem to use the crafter content. Any encouragement to actually craft for your crafting rewards would be welcome IMO, including separate factions if it has to come to that. I think the idea with having no-trade crafting recipes is that the character itself earns it, not that its given it by one main who supply a stable of alts. I think its a natural step to say that you also have to earn it with crafting or crafter-quests (no-killing, I wouldnt say no-adventure though ) Someone suggested for instance that crafting for one sphere would gain you a small amount of faction with the other one. Sounds like a fair compromise, for instance. As for additional quests to break up the writ-grind... I have actually done some other quests on my lvl 30, for Teren's Grasp and Danak. Quickly they turned into kill-quests though, so I can't follow the questline further, but perhaps there are other existing quests that could be made available to crafters, rather than create them from scratch? Just a thought I would hate to think that this squabbly thread would result in resources and time being taken away from more general crafting issues - including scheming for the next expansion, I'm sure. (MajDul vs Kunark btw: 1. MajDul did not have recipes only available through the courts, they were also available same as all other advanced crafting books after lvl 9, from tradeable drops. "tradeable" being the operative word there. Don't make this about crafters vs adventurers, Kunark is about certain recipes only available as no-trade items from a faction merchant. 2. MajDul faction was and is available to everyone no matter what adventure level, and certainly very easily if you have one or more high level adventurers already, because of the tradeable tokens. I would be very happy if an alternative was added, but really, that is a completely different discussion for another thread. Fact: As a low level crafter AND adventurer, MajDul court faction IS obtainable. 3. The courts quests and faction was absolutely not the main (and many say only when talking about Kunark) way to level your adventure level, leaving you with "free" faction to purchase crafting rewards.) If anyone feels that they are being "punished" by having to craft having reach lvl 80 as a crafter, then perhaps they simply should't craft? I'd be grateful for any further faction-amount being added to the writs btw, but considering if the number 276 writs is accurate for three factions, in the original version that would have meant 828 writs with 250 faction each. That's how I see it anyway. I truly feel for the people who did it those first few days. Whether people like it or not, a lot about being a crafter is about making the end product and either supplying alts, guildies or friends, or on the open market. The route to getting those interesting recipes should be fair for all crafters so that at least in that aspect the playing field is even.