You know whats acually pointless, is trying to point things out to players who have built there zerkers around nothing but tanks. Players that think that all the Berserkers CA's should do nothing but aid them in a Defensive role. Thing is im glad you guys are succesful at tanking and all and im glad at what i have had a chance to tank in the game which alot of you probally havent even seen or know how to get to, but point here is, they threw the Offensive based Zerkers a bone with Juggernaut, zerkers who know how to fill more then one role because there is times on raids that i wont be tanking, there is times in groups when im too tired or lazy to tank because ive done enough of it on raids and just want to go all out DPS which alot of you probally have a big chance if any to do, so with little experience in this area i can understand how you could be lead to believe that we dont do DPS, or we dont have any support utility, when i think the main people who lead people to believe this is the people here in the forums, which is the players yourselves. 9 times out of 10, you dig our own graves, so if your raid leader says we have no use for a Berserker today you can sit it out, then the only people you have to blame is you yourselves advocating that we are nothing but tanks and totally useless at anything else, wether it be DPS, Support utility or Tank. The same can be said about groups, if you cant get a group because they already have a tank and you suggest that you can add some DPS and support to the group by increasing the groups damage output and they turn around and say " well we dont need a Zerker because they cant do DPS " totally missing the point that we can add another few hundred DPS to Scouts and other melee classes, then fine what ever, keep burning your bridges. Im happy where i am because the players i play with all know there classes like the backs of theirs hands and have been playing MMO's for years, probally before alot of you were even born. We know how classes work, perform and act in many situations and are open minded, we all know that certain classes have nothing to offer but one thing where others can potentially offer a few things. This is the problem here with this game, people are so closed minded they think that each and every class is good for one thing and one thing only without knowing what potential they really have. Ill say it again, if you are lvl 65 and dont know how to use this skill, then you turely need to role a Guardian when they let you change your Berserker to Guardians and vice versa. I wouldnt go as far to say its usefull, but has come in handy alot for me thats for sure.