[Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] and Boxing

What is really ignorant to ignore is that anti-boxing has been around since boxing started. It hasn't gone away and it never will. If you do not like it, you are free to go play on p99 like boxers keep telling anti-boxers to do.

Rage much?

I didn't accuse you of anything but I can see you have anger management issues.

Nobody cares what your idea of price gouging is. It just shows a limited grasp of supply/demand along with development costs. I'm sure you prefer socialism but many of us do not.

Basically every word out of your mouth is either self aggrandizing or judgemental. Give it a rest.

My promo code indicates otherwise. Thank you to all the new hits and subscribers yesterday.

Tamier I'm convinced your just posting to try and cause grief in the community. The answer was given yesterday, don't like it....I don't care, Daybreak has already decided and made the answer public. If it chaps your backside that much quit and go find something else to do.

Define "Tons of people" because "Tons of people" threaten to quit over just about every minor nerf or bugged quest they haven't fixed yet. YES there are several post where people whine about boxers, YES it is perceived as a problem to some. YES recently many people are complaining recently due to the impact on the launch of ragefire. I believe most of which is because of the impact of 6 boxing a broken unbalanced class on a newly formed progression server which exceeded even the developers most optimistic hopes when it came to capacity allocation.

However claiming that it is the reason a majority of people have left is a fallacy and delusion. Most Modern MMO's fail after 3-4 years and P99 isn't exactly bursting with as many players as Ragefire even tho they offer the closest experience to Classic+Kunark that people could want without boxers.

Sorry but your "Truth" is nothing more than an "Opinion".

Again, I'm not sure what all the aggression is about, I've already said I'm entirely fine and even encourage efforts to make lockjaw anti-boxer. Best case scenario it becomes the anti-boxers paradise filled with rainbows and unicorns, and the worst case scenario is it will make most the anti-boxer crowd realise that all problems don't stem from boxing and finally quite them down as they find a new obsession to claim is the reason EQ is failing.

I have the same right to post here as you do. The fact that you type up a post to talk crap on me without using reply, just shows you're loosing the arguement and don't want to give me the opportunity to respond. People complain. They always have. About anything they don't like. Some of those are about rules in place, quite a few of them actually. I understand you're trying to protect your advantage, if I could find a way to use it and not feel bad for the unfair advantage it provided over others, I would use it to. I choose not to, because it does provide a huge unfair advantage. I have a right to voice my opinion. I'm one of several hundred who have posted on it in the last few days. People have hated boxing, for as long as boxing has existed. Thats just a fact, as I am one of them. People love boxing for as long as boxing existed, thats just a fact. People will always complain about things they do not like, and have every right to do so. Assuming your agenda is the only one with the right to complain on this forum, is not ok. Telling everyone against your agenda they should quit or go join p99 is not ok. These could easily be turned around on you. For example: Anti-boxing has always been here, if you hate it so much, why don't you quit, or go to p99? So there is no reason why people can't debate intelligently and calmly without throwing a fit everytime they fail to prove or disprove something they want to believe.

I said they are the reason some people left, it is righ there in my quote, and you misquoted it to make me sound incorrect. Don't do that. It is harrassment. At least argue the merit of the post. SOME people have quit, over BOXING. I've seen 12 posts on this forum specifically about it, and had inbox msg's from 6 more. 18 people is SOME people. I never said the majority of people.

Tamier you try and use the word advantage as a shield just like you tried to use the word Bully a few days ago.

If I started playing 1 day before you on Ragefire I had an ADVANTAGE over you.... feel free to petition / report that as unfair game play. This is another one of your twisted self serving definitions and your just trying top bait people into making some stupid remark you can try and report them.

Your trolling plain and simple because the debate was put to rest yesterday officially, stop continuing to try and stir up conflict over the situation.

Your the one that stated you un-subbed...aka you quit. Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth though.

Yes I have acknowledged that DBG's has officially allowed [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software], and there is not any plan to change it anytime soon. This will only cause those who dislike it to debate it more, not less. The fact that they can't provide one small space somewhere, for a group of their player base to go, to get away from another that is obviously hostile towards one another, is not an acceptable response for some players.

So much anger in this thread makes it difficult to read through.

Just for the sake of information, one has the capability to ignore a poster by clicking on ones own name at the top and filling in the information under the People you ignore tab.

To me I don't know the unfair advantage boxing has over real players.

You could have 6 real players running around as mages killing everything. maybe with a 7th out of group healing.
None would have any problem at all hiting their assist button and sending in their pets when a pull got close to camp.

By using [Unmentioned 3rd Party Software] I really only have an advantage over other boxers.

The most important advanatge for me is when I am pulling, as I get into camp I can /assist on all toons.
It is something that would be very hard to do while running on 1 toon and somehow alt/tabbing to another account.

There is an advantage using keystroke repetiton say to fire nukes, but hell my nuke hotkey using EQ socials does 5 nukes in a row. The 1 second to alt tab and hit the same button on a different toon isn't a a huge advantage over a player who is using multi-bind... in fact it is a disadvantage.
True, I could use multibind myself for nukes, but then if I was doing something on the tank I would stop nuking...

Then there is the healing advantage... I don't have to alt tab to heal, as I have that set up 1 click 1 heal from any screen, but that is only an advanatge over other boxers, not real players if they have a real cleric.

I still have to manually move toons out of range of a pet tanking if it regains ago.

Note: I box SK Cleric Enchanter, with the addition currently of a mage, but for planes I will get a wizzie in that slot. I am not training around zones destroying everything. Despite high playtime I am currently only lv23.
Unlike human players, if I pull too many I just die as no FD yet. I don't train mobs all the way across a zone killing other players as many human players do.
Sure I can rez myself but it is still lost exp currently (20% rez), and I am just, if not more likely to lose my camp if I afk for 3 minutes.

Nice try, however I did not misquote you. Claiming that I did is a joke. You very keenly implied that boxing was a major cause of players leaving EQ. When I pointed out that it wasn't but rather that it was a collection of a number of things not the least of which was the games age itself you got defensive and even used the phrase "Tons of People" which I don't think anyone would take to imply 18 people.

Had you simply said, "Hey I meant some people, ofcourse I know its not the only reason people left" then you might have a leg to stand on but you clearly doubled down on your original assertion so you should take a step back and think before making accusations that I misquoted you or that I'm harassing you since the only one that is acting in that sort of manner here is you.

I'm not trying to cause problems, but you are not allowed to accuse people of that on this forum. Please stop. I am arguing a view point that has quite a few people who agree with it. I have the right to do so. Many people i've spoken with, and who have posted on this forum, believe 3rd party software is an unfair advantage. It doesn't matter that you believe it is not. Some believe it is. There is always opportunity to debate, and there is nothing wrong with debate. Getting angry over debates, for example people saying no vote, its been decided /endthread, are people who are worried that the other side might be heard. That is simply a selfish viewpoint. I'm not asking for you to not get to play the way you want to play. I'm asking to get to play the way I want to play. Nothing wrong with that, and it's not trying to make people mad.

Thank you for supporting the "unofficial" no-box tag for Lockjaw...I do not support boxing on the new TLP servers, but I am trying to understand their point of view.

If you could list some reasons why you like to box on the TLP servers that normal grouping with other players can not provide? THAT is one of the big hurdles for me in understanding. Especially since it is so easy to get a group, providing the other player isn't boxing. I do have others, but if I could understand this side of it, it would go a long way for me and my tolerance of the activity...even if I still choose to not do it myself.

I am honestly trying to see the other side of things...would you be open to doing the same?

No. It does not. You are wrong.

I stated that boxing was a reason some people leave. You quoted me as saying that boxers were the reason a majority of people leave. Some and Majority are vastly different, and it was a direct misquote. You need to read instead of assume or lie about it. I also never used tons of people in the quote you quoted. I said some people. Maybe you are referring to a different post, but it is not the one you replied to. That is your fault.

Boxing is also the reason why some people stay.

To be blunt you have to have pretty poor players in the group to not have an advantage over a 6 boxer.

I remember saying something about 100k or so people leaving eq because of boxing

maybe something like this