Test Update 06/13/2023 - Patch Notes and Discussions

Ngreth Thergn · Jun 30, 2023

Sancus said: ↑

“Some suggestions:

SPA 124 Focus:
I like the SPA 124 focus if it's supplemented with another focus. Because of the stacking issues discussed elsewhere, it won't provide any DPS increase to caster groups with a Bard, but it will provide a small increase to poorly supported caster groups. The focus is notably more powerful for DoTs than for DD casters, but because it's already a common effect (and a larger permanent modifier is available), I don't think that's an issue.

Supplemental Spell Focus:
Originally when I saw the spell data, I thought the unconstrained 15% spell haste would provide a small benefit to casters. Now that it's limited to 3+ second cast time spells, which for DD casters are already at the 50% haste cap (DoTs are not always at that cap), the new banner will do very little for DoT caster DPS and nothing for DD caster DPS if in fully supported groups.

I'd add an SPA 528 focus, which won't have any spell stacking issues. SPA 528 is the most direct spell analogue to SPA 482, although it would only be additive with focus AAs/banestrike/luminous restless ice. Given that, if your goal was a 5-10% DPS increase overall, I'd shoot for something like a 15% focus (this would be about a 6-7% increase for DoT classes and a bit less for Mages/Wizards given it wouldn't focus pets and procs, respectively). Another option is SPA 461 which is stronger for DDs than for DoTs and similarly doesn't have (many) stacking issues, but it'd need to be a smaller modifier (no more than 10%) and would only be additive with SPA 461 passive DoT AAs. SPA 461 will work better with Wizard SPA 303 modifiers, as they don't scale with base damage but are multiplied by SPA 461. To be clear: I am only suggesting one of these two modifiers be added.

Hundred Hands Effect:
I'd also consider adding a small Hundred Hands Effect (SPA 182) between 5 and 10%. This would do basically nothing for well supported melee groups, but would provide a small HHE supplement for groups lacking Bards and/or Beastlords (though the effect is different, it's conceptually along the same lines as SPA 124 providing a degree of support for suboptimal groups).

Pets:
This aura doesn't land on pets, and that's fine given it would be way too strong if it focused swarm pets. That said, it would be nice if it gave a little boost to pets given they account for a decent portion of some class's DPS. One option is allowing the aura to land on primary pets but not swarm pets (this is possible - Theft of Essence has this logic). Primary pets already have access to buffs, so the same stacking concepts are generally applicable. They'd mainly benefit from the SPA 482 component (and HHE if added).

The other option would be to add one of the pet-boosting SPAs that get applied to pet owners, boosting pets without the aura landing on them. The viable options are really SPA 218 (pet crit chance) or 474 (pet crit damage). Pet damage is pretty easy to calculate and consistent across classes, so at a simplistic level classes with Companion's Fury have a 40% or 50% crit rate (only boosted by Glyph) and a 520% (170% + 350%) crit damage mod (modified by Glyph & player crit dmg SPAs). A 78% crit damage modifier (SPA 474) translates into a 7.5% DPS increase (78% / 520% * 50% = 7.5%). A 6% crit chance modifier (SPA 218) would do about the same (((520% * 56%) + (100% * 44%)) / ((520% * 50%) + (100% * 50%)) = 8.1% DPS increase). Because not all portions of the hit crit, the actual increase would be a bit lower, but still reasonable. To be clear, I am only suggesting one of these; it doesn't really matter which.

Disclaimer:
I just wanted to acknowledge that I know in terms of balance, melee are the ones that are performing the worst. That said, a banner that's only available 6 months of the year isn't a fix for that, and part of achieving its goal (making raids easier 6 months in) is increasing DPS. The suggestions above are intended to help do that in a more uniform/consistent way.”

Okay. I found where the scaling bug was, and will have a fix in the next patch.
(There was a table I didn't know about that controls what level the banner casts the spells. Since this table was blank, it cast at level 1)
That table also means that there will be some changes to how the spell works because the banner is cast at one level per ten player levels (1 is 1, 10 is 2, 20 is 3, etc... 120 is 12) so I have to adjust it to work as if cast by a 12th level entity at max. (I'm letting it scale further in some cases... I set the table up to level 200)
I am also adding some of the suggestions from Sanctus above.

Bigstomp · Jul 1, 2023

Cadira said: ↑

“Keeping my opinion out of the matter, the following question comes to mind:

If raids require some element of a bar being set for healing, tanking, and stamina, why should they also not require a minimum lvl of dps too?”

Fair. Although I'm pretty sure the zone being laggy and blowing up the boss which makes 36+ adds insta-poof is not the intended mechanics.

Lineater · Jul 4, 2023

So is somebody ever going to explain why Shock of Many at max rank now DOES LESS DAMAGE THAN A NORMAL BOLT SPELL?

Skuz · Jul 5, 2023

Lineater said: ↑

“So is somebody ever going to explain why Shock of Many at max rank now DOES LESS DAMAGE THAN A NORMAL BOLT SPELL?”

No.

Velisaris_MS · Jul 5, 2023

Skuz said: ↑

“No.”

A simple two letter word that is both 100% sarcasm and 100% truth. Nice.

Metanis · Jul 5, 2023

Velisaris_MS said: ↑

“A simple two letter word that is both 100% sarcasm and 100% truth. Nice.”

That little word could solve so many problems in today's world!

Lineater · Jul 6, 2023

Metanis said: ↑

“That little word could solve so many problems in today's world!”

What is this supposed to mean vis a vis my question?

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