The Go Go Gadget Guide to Everything Gadgets

Right now CryoField is one DoT you'll want in the background. There are other DoT powers that are weaker. Some players jumped the gun and were about to have it so one part of Gadgets is all DoT but I shut that down in the Dev discussion thread. Burst is just more practical & still something you'll want to use. Right now I don't like that we have 2 DoT supercharge types.

Base Info for 1.5 Stats Revamp Incomplete
04/05/17
Thermite mine isn't controlling in Troll role but will in damage role. The PI buffed damage from EMP in damage role is bugged. However, it's working in Controller role. Sticky Bomb is fixed and is no longer dealing the damage range of 3 targets. It works as intended and deals full damage range of 1 SB to primary target and splits the damage of another SB on the surrounding targets. Because it's a multitarget power, it deals the damage range of 2 SB's. I also added more control effects info for most of the power like number of targets hit and duration.

UPDATE*4/11/2017* EMP PI now works properly. Thermite's stun now works in Controller role.

Keep in mind that regardless of the range on the powers that are debuffs, the debuff itself registers on targets even if you are using a melee range power and the target is far range.

For all multi target powers, the average is doubled.

# Range with 8419 Might

Base Range

Base Average and/or Base Total

EMP (buffed but bugged)
Cool down 2.5 seconds
Power Cost 300
PI electrified enemies take additional damage
Defense debuff 10% & last for 12 seconds
Controller: Stuns for about 7 seconds on NPCs with no Breakout Profile. 2 seconds for some NPC profiles. Stuns 8 targets.
Damage: No control effect
Instant damage with no delay
Burst
Multi Target
13 meter distance radius for CC & Damage
360 degree Area of Effect

No Pi DPS

6830-10%=6147 to 7541-10%=6786

91-101

96 average

NO Pi Damage in DPS role BUGGED

No PI Troll Role

6598-7168

87-95

91 average

With PI Troll Role

7195-7983

95-105

100 average

CUFF EM (didn’t update damage)
Cool down 0.5s
Power Cost 100
Dazes enemies
Retains Stealth
Instant Damage
Controller &Damage: Stuns for 12 seconds
Burst
Single Target
7 meter distance

5283-5773

78 – 86

82 average

SURPRISE ATTACK (buffed updated)
Cool down 2.5 seconds
Power cost of 300
Dazed enemies take additional damage
Controller & Damage: Knock Down
Instant Damage
Burst
Single Target
About 10 to 12 meters

No PI

8283-9029

123-134

129 average

With PI

9190-9962

136-148

142 average

STEALTH PROC (updated)
Only occurs when transitioning out of Stealth (Surprise Attack)
Burst
Single Target

4866-5384

72-80

76 average

GAUSS GRENADE (updated)
Cool down 0.5 seconds
Power Cost 200
Electrifies enemies
Dazed or Frostbitten enemies take additional damage
No Control Effect in either role
Instant Damage
Burst
Multi Target
Far Range
25 meter Distance

No PI

4313- 4777

64-71

68 average

With PI

4715-5204

70-77

74 average

TASER PULL (updated)
Cool down 2.5 seconds
Power Cost 200
Electrifies enemies
Controller: Pulls and Stuns 1 target for about 6 seconds on NPCs with no Breakout Profile
Damage: Pulls 1 Target but No Stun.
Instant Damage
Burst
Single Target
Far range
25 meter distance
Troll Role 5762-6497

86-96

91 average

DPS: 6641-10%= 5,976 to 7258–10%=6532

89-97

93 average

VORTEX CANNON (updated)
Cool Down 3 seconds
Power Cost 300
Dazed enemies take additional damage
Damage Debuff 10% (All Debuffs now last 12 seconds)
Controller: Knock Down then Stun for 6 seconds on NPCs with no Breakout Profile. 4 Seconds on some NPC profiles. Controls 8 targets
Damage: No Control Effect
Instant Damage
Burst
Multi Target
Mid range
Around 12 to 13 meter distance

No PI DPS

6153-10%=5,537 to 6796-10%=6116

82-91

87 Average

With PI DPS

6754-10%=6078 to 7479-10%=6731

90-100

95 average

NO PI in TROLL Role

4918-5416

73-80

77 average

With PI in TROLL ROLE

5450-5947

81-88

85 average

NEURAL NEUTRALIZER (damage was not updated)
Cool Down 12 seconds
Power Cost 200
Dazes enemies
Dazed enemies take additional damage
Base Shielding Percentage: 40.75%
Controller: Stuns 8 to 10 targets for 7 seconds
Damage: Stuns 8 targets for 4 seconds
Instant Damage
Burst
Multi Target
Melee Range
5 meter distance

No PI

2021-2218

30-33

31.5 average

With PI

2233-2414

33-36

34.5 (35) average

CRYOFIELD (same)
Cool Down 6 second
Power Cost 300
Frostbitten enemies take additional damage & may be encased in Ice cubes
Heal Debuff 25% last for 12 seconds
Damage Over Time
Multi Target
Melee to Mid range
12 meter distance/radius on 360 degree AoE around your toon
Controller: Stuns 8 to 9 targets for 6 seconds
Damage: Roots 8 targets
15 ticks – Rapid ticks (good for D.P.S.) About 2 ticks per second

No PI

540-606

8-9

8.5 (9) average

120 total low – 135 total high

128 total average

With PI

606-673

9-10 average

135 total low – 150 total high

143 total average

CRYOFOAM (same)
Cool Down 1.5 seconds
Power Cost 200
Inflicts Frostbite
Burning or Electrified enemies take additional damage
Grounds, Stuns & Roots Targets
Controller: Roots & Stuns 8 targets for 7 seconds then grounds primary target only.
Damage: Roots 8 targets for 7 seconds
Burst
Multi Target
Far Range 25 meters
12 meter 360 degree AoE

No PI

4041-4443

60-66

63 average

With PI

4450-4881

66-72

69 average

FEAR GAS (did not update damage)
Cool Down 2 seconds
Power Cost 200
Inflicts Dazing PI
Burning or Electrified enemies take additional damage
1 second mobile Channeling
Controller: Stuns 8 targets for 7 seconds
Damage: Stuns 8 targets for 4 seconds
Far Range
24 Meter Distance
Damage Over Time

No PI

10 ticks

First 2 ticks are minor burst type damage

1619-1808

24-27

24*2= 48 low 27*2= 54 high

51 total average on the first 2 minor burst hits

The proceeding 8 ticks are DoT tick

202-268

3-4

3*8= 24 low 4 * 8= 32 high

28 total average on the 8 ticks of DoT

Total for Fear Gas with NO PI

72 total low & 86 total high

79 total average (no PI)

With PI

3 ticks of minor Burst Damage

1755 – 1951

26-29

26*3= 78 total low & 87 total high

83 average

The third tick deals a knock down effect.

Prematurely jump canceling allows for full damage to register.

IMPLOSION MINE (nerfed)
Cooldown 0.5 seconds
Power Cost 100
Electrified enemies take additional damage
Controller & Damage: Pull & briefly stuns 8 surrounding targets
Vulnerable to Interrupt
Retains Stealth
Burst
Melee Range
Damage registers 1 second after power is triggered
360 degree AoE with a radius of about 5 meters
You can extend the range from 5m to 12 meters if you plant the Mine, then use Self Destruct

No PI

4059-4512

60-67

64 average

With PI

4470-4913

66-73

70 average

STICKY BOMB (updated)
Cooldown 3 seconds
Power Cost 300
Burning enemies take additional damage
Enemies encased by Ice, Nature, Mental, Light, Earth or Gadgets will explode & damage nearby targets – Damage will not register on SB burst due to the breaking of the encasement
Healing Debuff 25%
Burst
Damage registers about 1 second after casting
Multi Target
Controller & Damage: Stuns primary target then deals a knock down to 8 surrounding NPCs plus the primary target
Far Range @ 25 meters
360 degree AoE on target with 7 meter radius

No PI

4177-4646

62-69

66 average

With PI

4582-5109

68-76

72 average

THERMITE MINE (damage not checked)
Cooldown 0.5 seconds
Power Cost 100
Inflicts Burning
Enemies encased by Ice, Nature, Mental, Light, Earth or Gadgets will explode & damage nearby targets
Vulnerable to Interrupt
Damage: Stuns 8 targets for 3 seconds
NO CC in Controller Role BUG**
Retains Stealth
Melee Range
Damage registers 1 second after power is triggered
360 degree AoE with a radius of about 5 meters
You can extend the range from 5m to 7-9 meters if you plant the Mine, then use Self Destruct
No stun
Damage Over Time
5 ticks

No PI

542-606

8-9

40 total low – 45 total high

42.5 (43) average

PARALYZING DART (updated)
Cooldown 0.5 seconds
Power Cost 100
Burning or Electrified enemies take additional damage
Damage Debuff 10% for 12 seconds
Instant Damage
Burst
Multi Target
Damage & Controller: Stuns 1 Target for 6 seconds on NPCs with no Breakout Profile
Far range over 28 meters
360 degree AoE on target with 7 meter radius

No PI DPS

3273-10%= 2945 to 3624-10%= 3261

44-48

46 average

With PI

3562-10%=3205 to 3944-10%= 3549

48-53

51 average

NAPALM GRENADE (buffed/updated)
Cooldown 0.5 seconds
Power Cost 200
Inflicts Burning
Dazed or Frostbitten enemies take additional damage
Multi Target
No Control Effect in either role
Far range over 25 meters
360 degree AoE on target with 7 meter radius
Damage Over Time
6 ticks over 3 seconds

No PI

741-807

11-12

12 (11.5) average

66 total low – 72 total high

69 average

With PI

813-873

12-13

13 (12.5)average

72 total low – 78 total high

75 average

I didn't get to Photon Blast damage but in controller role it deals no control effects. I may not get to Suppressor Turret, Robot Sidekick, Batarangs, or Heat Vision either. Depends on my schedule. I have some free time this week but I'll be spending it on the new content.

I like Implosion Mine now for melee builds. Same damage as Cryo Foam but for half the Power cost. I'm considering to use it from Stealth to utilize the Enhanced Stealth mod invulnerability so I don't get interrupted, but Stealth is obviously much better for single target builds with Surprise Attack.

Turret just seems bad. Even if its dps compares favorably to Robo Sidekick (didn't test this in depth) it's still only 50% uptime with a long castbar that goes on cooldown even if you're interrupted and don't actually summon it. It's not worth the Power cost at all.

I say it should be reverted to 100% uptime even if that means that its damage will get reduced. Either 15s duration and 15s cooldown or better 12s cooldown similar to Snow Devil and Swarm so that we can have 2 out at once for a couple seconds, or at least replace it more smoothly. With a 12-15s cooldown it is much more useful as a tool for both clipping and aggro shifting and those have always been key mechanics for Gadgets in some form or another.

how is gadget base and gear mods going to be for the stat revamp? might? prec? both?

Any combination of Might, Prec and Power depending on your build. There's no more forced AM spec, you'll have to either wait for the revamp launch to see what becomes FOTM or make your own build from scratch.

Base Damage Values for the Revamped Iconic Powers:
Batarang Multishot: Two ticks of 32-35
Freezing Breath: Four ticks of 44-49
Gag Glove: 59-66
Heat Vision: Four ticks of 47-52 and Twelve ticks of 1-3
Sonic Cry: 63-69
Sonic Shout: Four ticks of 43-47

New Tactical Mods:
The Team-Up mod has given us new "Restorative" mods. They restore a little bit of health every time you use a specific power - with a 12 second cooldown. So far I've seen Fear Gas, Sticky Bomb and Taser Pull versions.

I'm intrigued by the new Heat Vision since you can JC it to get fewer ticks for less power consumption, and the damage range seems decent. No use in parsing DPS now but I'm curious to see how channeled and JCed Heat Vision could be used in different builds.

I've got a pretty good idea of what the optimum Gadgets group rotation looks like. PM me if you want details on it. It is horrible to play.

For solo targets, Taser Pull, Stealth, and Heat Vision offer some possibilities. I still need to do more testing to find the optimum rotation though.

I'm very hopeful for a single target Stealth build. Stasis Field won't make you lose as much damage on single targets so SC focused lends itself well to that. I'm thinking of a melee build with Enhanced Stealth to make sure you aren't interrupted during Sneak Attack and also to make you invulnerable 2.5 seconds out of 12 which is pretty damn good.

I'm not having much luck making Heat Vision work on single-target melee. It takes too long to channel and the cooldown timer is just a bit too long to gel with the rotations I've been trying. The small damage ticks are almost inconsequential compared to what you could be using.

MA Uppercut, Battle Display, Taser Pull, Stealth, and Robot Sidekick are producing good single-target results so far. The cooldown on Taser Pull works well if you're using MA Uppercut. Stealth can easily mess you up though. If you attack too quickly coming out of Stealth, you end up doing the wrong weapon attack.

Taser Pull is definitely the go-to option for single target damage. As with your suggested build you can just build around Taser and weapon combos in between. For a faster clipping or even PFT build JCed Heat Vision is viable though. Its total damage is a bit lower than Taser but it's decent enough to fit in between Taser casts if you don't want to use longer combos.

Relevant post I just made in the "Standings" thread:
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/dc...dps-standings-might-spec.285693/#post-3931622

You can see my Group and Single target videos there.

I was able to achieve very similar results using All Might and All Precision builds.

Here are a couple of things I learned from that Single-Target melee build:
* Don't try to use Photon Blast. For the amount of time it takes to channel, you can be doing more damage with weapons and setting up your next Taser Pull.
* Trying to work in Heat Vision was a mistake for a melee build. You lose a lot of time setting up a relatively weak burning DoT and I didn't have anything on that build that benefited from Burning.

I'll have to do more testing on ranged builds.

I really hate that group melee build.

The group build looks about as painful as my Impact Arrow build. Looks like channels are troublesome now although I guess regular channels "might" pay off more in PFT builds since they have a higher damage : power ratio.
The iconic channels that actually drain power per second don't seem viable to me without JC since you could easily get more damage per second for the same power per second in a non-channel PFT spec. Maybe we can get them buffed or at least the power drain removed/decreased for a better damage : power ratio.

A few miscellaneous notes from the last round of StatsRevamp testing:
1. Thermite/Implosion Mine were not contributing to the hit counter.
2. Using Surprise Attack would take you out of combat. Not sure if this is a bug or good/bad thing.
3. Battle Drone was returning less power than Quantum's SC. I'll have to test this again during the next StatsRevamp period. I don't think we want Battle Drone returning less power than every other Controller supercharge. The difference isn't much, but I don't want terrible pet damage being the justification for reduced power return.
4. Even with the tac mod, Fear Gas was still vulnerable to interrupt.

Did anyone else find anything "interesting"?

indeed, it should give the same amount of power, most trolls give a shield. from my end then dmg can stay aswell to compensate for not shielding the group. btw thank you for all the testing you guys are doing.

As for Surprise Attack, I can't imagine when getting out of combat would ever be bad. You get the short armory cooldown and out of combat regen. The only problem I can think of that I'm not sure can actually happen is that a boss may reset if you're the only player and force yourself out of combat.

From what I've observed, in-combat and out-of-combat power regen are the same. It takes a set amount of time for your power bar to regen.

I am wondering if dropping combat may reset an instance. I'll have to try that on the next StatsRevamp build.

There's the out-of-combat regen proficiency though which is a 100% increase on live. I hope it will be the same on test because this is one of the most useful proficiencies imo.

I was looking over my notes from Revamp 1.5 and tried to identify some non-bug areas of concern for Gadgets. Assuming we get a final polishing pass, I will bring these issues up:

Suppressor Turret
This thing is terrible in its current state. At the very least, the cast bar needs to be removed and the cooldown timer reduced. It would be neat if it could be reworked into something more useful, but that may require more time than what is available.

Sticky Bomb
Sticky Bomb doesn't have much going for it right under StatsRevamp 1.5. The damage division bug was fixed and its base damage value is about at the same level as Cryo-Foam. I can't see many people using it in its current state.

Replenishing Adapter
Will only proc when using weapons while playing Gadgets. If you're trying to Play-from-the-Tray, this is inconvenient.

Anyone have any other thoughts?