Lol, I tanked AoA (From Fear Fester to Barrodas) and HE (up to Fitz) numerous time on my guard in reck stance and I'm no way near HM or Avatar stuff.
Ive seen tanks without any HM or PoW gear tank a good portion of CoE EM in reckless just fine. Most likely a combination of Reckless being broke and CoE EM content being stupid easy.
Yet you did not pull and Challenge Mode Encounters. We both said it was easy in EM-CoE you could be in only CoE-EM and still tank that stuff Reckless, let me know how tanking Bastion the Immovable goes in Reckless. Note: You must TANK him (be the target of aggression) in Reckless without dying.
@Estred I wasn't trolling at all, we're both saying the same thing there bud which is that an EM geared tank can easily tank most CoE EM named ecounters in Recklessness.
Sigh, it's ok. I responded to that one when I was in a bit of a aggravated state and quite ranted on the SK-Casting thread. What was an explanation turned to rant. Sometimes I guess I am a bit touchy, thanks for the clarification.
you people who play tanks are so blinded by your broken Op'd ability that you don't understand that people want tanks in raid TO TANK. does that compute? whatever it is they do and i really dont' care anymore at this point because i have pretty much lost hope in devs. just leave reckless the way it but remove the 50% more damage.. i don't care if the tanks are outparsing the other dps classes anymore.. they can't outparse me so whatever.. all i care about is having DEAD TANKS that don't do their frigging job.. i need the BACK of the mob and when a tank is dead or hiding from the mob right next to me it's impossible. stupidest ability ever.. EVER EVER EVER
Well when they make it so we tanks don't have to DPS and the healers don't have to DPS then get back to me. Current game dictates that the maximum dps is done by every member of the raid Tanks and Healers included where possible.
and why exactly should tanks have to do T1 damage? if you just want to get them in raid then let them increase group damage/survivability so the the all scout or all mage group is less damage than a tank group.. if you just want to keep your broken op'd ability then whatever.. i just want tanks in raid that CAN TANK and now clue why you're even posting in this thread.. guards could keep reckless and even att 20% damage reduction to them and i would still lol at the class. this coming for a person who has played a guard since T5. so srsly man.. keep your post relevant to the class you play. guardian will never do any substantial damage.
Never said T1. I said DPS, even Guardians are expected to put out 100-600K depending on fight type, roll, scenario and other things. What I was saying is that currently tanks are expected to DPS, however you do not need Recklessness to do so, this is why I think Reckless is the wrong answer for a problem introduced in DoV (which was tanks being out-parsed by Healers).
you mean guards were being out parsed by healers. like i said.. the guardian class is non issue. guards could keep this ability with ZERO penalty and still not out parse any of the other classes.
Well sounds like we are in agreement that Recklessness needs as much revisiting as does the rolls of the tanks in how they are being done. Tanks should be able to DPS that won't change and imo shouldn't however Reckless is the wrong way to do it. I would rather see class/AA changes to better the rolls within themselves rather than basically getting a free buff.
I'd be curious to know how old you are. Just being curious since almost every single of your posts on these forums seems to show your lack of comprehension of the class system in this game and your obvious desire to complain on everything. All I see from you is crying on how bad assassins are and how you can't dps as a said assassin. For your info, calling out for nerfs is a forum violation, so keep going if your goal is to be banned. About tanks, have you actually ever played a tank outside the advanced solo zones? Have you ever raided in MT/OT position on a tank? If so, what class and for how long? Do you actually have a tank alt or you're just trolling us all again? At that point, I seriously doubt you even have a small idea of what you are talking about. You just don't bring up any arguments besides saying we want to stay OP and whatever else. Pls, don't bring the stupid and worthless arguement that your guild is clearing more content that mine, and that it means you are the best thing since sliced bread. It don't work with me and never will. /rant_end Do you know why Recklessness been implemented to the game? Fact is that since game's launch, tanks were contributing a good chunk of the raid dps. (Not saying T1 dps) As we all know, dps capabilities of all classes grown up exponentially since then but DoV broke the balance. Basicly, a tank needs to do 3 simple things (yes it's slightly more complexe but thoses are the big lines) to do his/her job right: 1- Hold hate at all cost 2- Take punches 3- Contribute to the group/raid dps Current's hate system is similar to the one seen in EQ1 where dps = hate. (Some tank classes can still manage hate with a lower dps but that's another topic) As a few well-known tanks such as Duele, Priority and Estred pointed out that tanks suffered a lot since DoV. Tanks didn't saw a proportional increase of the dps capabilities compared to the other classes which made it more harder to do the job. The solution for SOE was the add Recklessness in order to gives tanks back the punch they needed. However, I do agree Recklessness wasn't the correct solution. I still think a tweak of the auto-attack modifier would have done the job. The only credit I'll give credit to the Recklessness stance is that it make tanks more polyvalent in raid context, so you can simply press a button and have 4 tanks, press it again and have 2 extra dpsers to kill trash/easier encounters faster. I couldn't be more clear about the issue and my opinion about it. At that point, if you still don't get it and prefer to put your head in the sand like an ostrish, it's your choice. Sadly, I'm fairly sure this post will get deleted or reported but I don't care, at least I said what needed to be told. PS - Calling BS on tanks outparsing scouts/mages for SF fights made me laugh quite a bit and tells a lot about you as a player and raider.
i'm curious to what end you will go to keep this dumb broken ability. edit. btw.. your post makes no sense.
Tanks didn't outparse good Scouts and Mages and I am talking even Brig/Swash not just Predators even in SF. We were just behind them as we should be (Guardians of course being even lower for their survival which... I love our utility that is known). However in DoV as Priority and Duele pointed out tanks fell behind. While I do dissagree a bit with Duele on the point of Crusaders casting on the move being a 100% fine action, I do think it isn't as bad as some make it out to be. Some spells will need adjustment imo but that is another thread topic. To stay on Reckless, it was the right idea, wrong implementation. I think I have said in a few threads now the thing we are all waiting for is the anticipated/dreaded GU66 and what it holds for classes. Given the threads, Xelgad seems to have a number of "quality of life" changes in mind which generally mean making a class more fun. The way you make a class more fun? - Make worthless skills useful again such as Force Targets and Enchanter Spells, also looking hopefully into Dumbfire pets like Brigands Thugs and Conjy's Aqueous Swarm. - Add on more dps because everyone loves bigger numbers. - Change a fundamental mechanic that has inhibited a class such as making a class heal where it could not before, or in the case of Crusaders making them cast on the move. Xelgad even said in the "Sk's need casting on the move" thread that they would be watching for Crusader imbalance coming from the change, the Developers aren't blind as much as some call them. Also Darkholis we all have rants... heck I had one at Prioity in the SK thread... wasn't my finest moment though the top half was an accurate outline of what tools Guardians have in exchange for their lost dps. The rest, well was shameless ranting by me. So rant aside I liked your message about Recklessness. It's not a stupid ability, it is the wrong way to address and existing problem and that was Tanks are technically T2 DPS not T3 as they are now without Reckless. As such the ability needs changed or removed and the base-classes changed.
Wish we still had an active moderator presence on the new forums. (I mean, besides the self-appointed ones.) As it is, there's no hope of participating in any civil discussion. Any debate on the subject of balance immediately turns toxic. I'm just hoping the devs exercise their best discretion rather than simply relying on the vocal minority for feedback. Congratulations. Aside from the profanity and pornography, eq2 flames is now officially less flammable than the new o-forums.
Davngr you QQ about reckless but then you say that no tanks are out parsing you. So if this is true whats your complaint?
I am having a hard time coming up with Specific suggestions that would be balanced for the Monk. Can any of the other tanks out here give Specific suggestions to fix the problem at hand. Like, If you want Recklessness removed, what do you think the Offensive Stance needs to do so you can DPS Properly in it, and the Defensive Stance needs to do to make it Worth using.
I think the better solution to the original so called problem of that 3rd or 4th tank not having anything to do on raids most of the time should have been some sorta nice group offensive buff where they can really add to the raids overall DPS on that 'trivial' content instead of reckless so they can put up pretty numbers on packs of heroic books groups or drakes.
I am pretty sure that these are things that will be happening with GU 66. I can say that the first one (making forced targets work) will be coming about already. Xelgad posted in the coercer PE thread about it. Thought snap is a forced target spell. So i expect future raid mobs to be able to be target locked.
