assassin recived a TON of PvP damage nerfs, why?

every dps class has that exact combination of potential and lol at calling a heal that does like.. 5k hp per match average "heal very well" it's just ridiculous how biased and obtuse all the people who agree with xeows are.

what was your assassins name?
pretty sure you were terrible and getting steam rolled by every dps class and you call that overpowerd? LOLOLOLOLOL

edit.

oh man.. now i know who your assassin is.. you where one of those two assassins that got steamrolled by dorain(necro) and frap'd it and posted it on the old pvp forums.
lolol

i would quit assassin after that too. srsly you're bad

what exactly do you think, makes you right about this parse? this isn't the 3rd. grade softball game, you don't get a trophy just for participating.
all that parse does is prove you to be a LIAR about median SS damage.. truth is that over 50% of the hits are under 15k.

carnage is broken.
caustic weap for only being up every 1.5min parsing that high is broken as well.

shadow step is perfectly balanced and EVERY SINGLE DPS CLASS has the same damage potential.

after this moronic change SS is going to parse less than assassins hemotoxin and a little more than jugular slice and swipe?

really?

sorry but only scrubs like to place their damage potential on procs.. i rather they nerf all the procs and give me my abilities so PUSHING BUTTONS and TIMING ABILITIES nets me MY DAMAGE not procs.

it's sad how terrible you are.

it's all ready nerfed thanks to you and devs seem to have covered their eyes and ears to this ACTUAL TRUE FEEDBACK thread..

Maybe I made it too hard to spot the insult in my post, you and the other guy that are crying here cuz nerf are bads. <----- you

I'm not one of those assassins sorry maybe you can try again. Baddie

So saying that a CA didn't need to be nerfed by 30% while providing data, and asking for data to back it up is now crying.. odd. I wonder why you would say that. Truly shocking.

FYI, Judging from beta Assassinate now hits for less than SS... Perhaps if it is not crying you can tell me why that makes a lick of sense.

So I post a parse proving my point and you cry louder???

Why may I ask should SS hit harder than Jugular Slice when it requires stealth and can hit twice. Now, that is also taking into account that you need to put many more AA into it just to achieve similar damage with Jugular Slice. Do you really enjoy making yourself look blatantly clueless? Oh SS is class defining "blah blah blah", Jugular Slice has been around since the beginning.

You lack skill, your parses are extremely low and you have yet to post a parse of you doing anywhere near the numbers I parse. That is not bragging, that is the truth. You are crying about these changes because after them you will drop your damage to abysmal numbers.I am sorry that you do not know how to spec your Assassin for maximum efficiency in PVP. I also apologize for the the fact that you cannot comprehend that everything ADDs up.

Do not talk to me about using "op procs". they are available. Meaning in the REAL CURRENT situation, any REAL PVPER with any semblance of skill with choose Caustic and Carnage. Which means all of these things in tandem make the Assassin extremely overpowered.

Assassins are right under Beastlords in PVP power and easiness.

Simple piece of advice, LEARN TO PLAY.

I don't respond on the threads by choice but after reading all of this it raised a question. I have played a sin since the game launched and by no means am I uber but I do PvP in open world and BG's so the question is. How does the nerf effect the average player? Everyone seems to be talking about being killed in seconds but this happens to me all the time.

Rangers, Wizzy's, Beast Lord and other Sins all have the ability to kill fast so I guess I don't get what the big deal is? I do wear lvl 94 pvp gear and still get smoked. So are the complaints based on the top end sins?

Shouldn't the parse information be taken from the average player. Not all can be elite and kill everyone?

I do know that some in this thread have stated they don't care about open world pvp and only care about BG's, to those, the reality is both are in the game so can't look at one without the other.

To be fair, shadow step is essentially just damage whereas jugular slice has a stifle control effect as well, that's not necessarily a fair comparison. Personally I'd rather have seen them change shadow step damage to physical damage in pvp first and see how that went.

This is actually a very valid question. I personally believe you should NOT compare to the average player. Why? Because the one who gets most out of the class shows its true power.

I am a below average player to be honest, so showing this potential in my hands just proves a valid point.

Yes I realize that Delethen, the main point I was trying to make was that SS was introduced far after many other abilities and is in no means "class defining". I would call Jugular Slice class defining way before Shadow Step. Since the only thing Shadow Step does is remove the challenge from keeping up with kiting classes. It also enables a player to jump onto an unaware opponent with all temporary buffs running. But it also has the benefit of hitting extremely hard IN MOST cases.

I recommended two options for Shadow Step by the way. It was either cut the damage by 50% or change the damage to Melee based damage. They took the former.

People are getting really bent out of shape just because the developers looked into my recommendations. They then did some internal testing and found my observations to be correct.

considering that in never heard of you before your boyfriend xeows made his moronic thread, i can pretty much take it for granted that you're a terrible player and it's one of my characters names you see in your logs when you die and 4 spots above yours in bg's.

just because this change to assassin is broken and unfounded it does not mean that i won't be embarrassing your on another one of my characters. maybe beastlord after they're fixed or brig i duno.. i'm still pondering what class will become my main after this stupid change makes my assassin useless.

how can you tell me to learn to play when i choose to not use broken procs to win?

i mean.. if someone finds an easymode and then exploits it, isn't he a bad player? or do you really think you're a good player because you use broken carnage?

also i was doing the damage you parse back when i was lvl 92 lol.. most of your parses are 200's and 400's with some cheese parses where your "procs" got you ok damage.
i can comparable numbers from BEFORE the broken prestige that made the scrub xoews think he's something special lol

so back up about ten steps son.. because you're still playing catch up.


and who cares what is defining to the class or not? THE POINT IS TAHT EVERY DPS CLASS IS DOING THE SAME NUMBERS and what this will do is leave assassin behind the rest.

sure it will make your 1v1 scrub play more balanced but it will kill group potential there are all ready healers and tanks that don't die even with me and other dps beating on them and they aren't losing any prestige survivability.. are they?

what does that mean bro?
it means you fail at understanding balance.

you're not fit to talk about balance in pvp or any other facet of this game.

anyone that understands class balance would have fixed the broken prestige and called it a day.

devs took for ever and a day to fix beastlord and now broke assassin because of your dumb thread not because of any data, just because one of them saw your thread and all the bad rangers posting on it and herp derped the change. after these changes beastlord will still be the most powerful class in the game and swash and assassin will be second rate.

you have NO CLUE WHAT THIS GAME NEEDS FOR BALANCE **** all ready.

sure but then you can't judge a class played by a hardcore player vs. casual player or less lethal class and try to balance the game around that like xowes does.

HERE ARE THE LOWER PARSES:

• http://s1293.beta.photobucket.com/user/Xeos_Noceo/library/

HERE ARE THE HIGHER PARSES:

1. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak1-25-13856PMEST_zpsfd8ba7ef.png
2. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak1-28-13737pmEST_zpse7c17cfb.png
3. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-06-121115PMEST_zps61251190.png
4. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-21-12103amEST_zpsfa9ae749.png
5. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak1-4-13823PMEST_zpscd2dbe1b.png
6. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak1-19-138PMEST_zps294fc4e0.png
7. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak1-19-13517PMEST_zps0e6c075e.png
8. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-17-12859PMEST_zpsc61f3e90.png
9. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-07-121235PMEST_zps4301a637.png
10. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-08-12312amEST_zps07b03869.png
11. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-17-12859PMEST_zpsc61f3e90.png
12. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak12-26-121139PMEST_zps0347f7cf.png
13. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears1-2-13948PMEST_zps2225cecc.png
14. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears1-20-13240amEST_zpsa7375f85.png
15. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears1-24-131214aMEST_zps4b4d2750.png
16. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears1-28-13814pmEST_zps6b9441e8.png
17. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears12-10-12836PMEST_zpsca2ad035.png
18. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGears12-10-12850PMEST_zpsa579231f.png
19. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak2-8-13339AMEST_zps7ebaa9df.png
20. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Xeos_Noceo/Highest parses/XEOSGanak2-8-13314amEST_zps7d4914fa.png

I will await your parses from exported act files deal?

All I see is that you lost to a swash in one of those....lol. Those do nothing to tell if a class is OP, because being more active will net you much higher numbers versus many of the idiots running around not knowing what they are doing in BG.

Back to your parse, are you saying a 12k Assassinate or Shadowstep is OP, because that was the average hit they had for you.

This nerf is dropping Assassins way down in PVP, along with a few other classes, it will be interesting to see how we do against the classes that didn't get the full nerf bat this time around...

LOL

dude i haven't been aiming to nerf the class and saving every single bg's damage parse.

so.. uhmmm
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BROKEN PRESTIGE PROC PARSES ?!?!?!

waht a joke lololololololol

here's one i found from back BEFORE broken proc scrubs came along to ruin this class.

Nice post, but just like one of my parses, look at the score... the entire BG match went by. Golf Clap.. If you posted one where the max score was achieved I couldn't just easily discount this as flame fodder. Oh also, I would love a parse of that fight, think you could do that little buddy? Next you will tell me you don't have logs on... And unaltered actual screenshot of ACT would be great! Thanks friend!

Hmm you are not good at putting together the pieces are you? If I parsed a total of 1 month of BG logs with these broken procs, why is it that Shadow Step is over all the prestige damage except Carnage?

So Shadow Step is doing more damage than Caustic Weaponry and everything else, which you said was broken. And you clearly stated Carnage was completely op, which I agree.

Now lets look at it like this, I mainly use Shadow Step to get within range of certain people, or to add some spike damage to people I am burning. Meaning if I would have used it everytime it was up you would have seen close to double the amount of hits in that parse, which also means a lot higher on the overall damage. Now, if you are still with me that would basically equate to it being equal with Carnage over that period of time. Remember, for Carnage to proc you need to use your bleed attacks, and to maximize damage you want to be Flanking or Behind. With Shadow Step you can press it from 30 meters away...

Thanks for playing though Davngr, your endless tears have given me great joy. Also, enjoy the new PVP update. I personally cannot wait to test the changes on my Sin!

lol.. you only use shadow step to teleport and then maybe to spike damage?

really?

after the endless amount of lies that you have posted about the class from shadow step doing 18k median damage to mark heal being some amazing healing ability and assassinate being overpowerd do you really think anyone believes anything you say?

you posted a bunch of parses with broken prestige procs, grats? you're a scrub.

and that's just a parse i kept to show how many tokens i got because damage wise i use to get 5's and 6's as well at 92 WITH OUT scrub broken prestige procs.

edit.

but why just call you a liar when i can prove you're a liar?

9hours combat time
9*60=540 minutes
540*60=32400 seconds
shadow step is about a 40 second reuse for me with refresh AA:
32400/40=810 possible shadow steps in that span of time.

you have 942 swings so you hit shadow step EVERY TIME IT'S UP and use tank/mage gear to push your reuse or have stupid luck on refresh..

yet ANOTHER xoews megalomaniacal scrub post debunked by logic.


you have no logic and don't understand this game or this class or how they need to work together to achieve balance.

please focus on pressing the pretty lil buttons and refrain from posting biased nerf threads for balanced classes along with your other terrible player friends.