Lockjaw rotation shattered by Faceless - Full FFA time begins?

Yes, there's a certain amount of "I'm taking my ball and going home" to that. I can understand it, but I don't like it.

I HAVE JUMBO ROLLS OF TIN FOIL FOR SALE!

Is it, really?

You make arguments out of bad speculation and reinforce with little fact. How is your presence productive in any way, for FI or against, For MM or Against, or the rotation or against? No productivity, and only cause chaos.

Who blocked these supposed rotation meetings? Faceless??
How the hell can Faceless Block a rotation meeting that is supposed to discuss Faceless Breaking rotation killing MM's Efreeti...
How quickly was the meeting blocked that not an hour after Faceless killed that Efreeti MM was up in Hate Trying to kill Peace of Formosa Ex's Innoruuk?

MM went straight from "OK Faceless just killed our Efreeti" to "F the rest of the rotation we're killing Inny"

Pretty sure they stated what they would do like 4 days ago or so? Read that in that guild leader channel log. Seems pretty straight forward?

Edit: The blocked meeting was the one from a week ago?

After DBG announced enforced rotations came to an end, Faceless held a session without numerous other guildleaders being present, to inform the attending guilds (an action that specifically circumvented the rotation rules), and arbitrarily modified the rotation agreement to their favor. Modest Man actually called for a meeting on the day of the actual meeting, and Faceless denied this request. The 24 hour window to organize a meeting was not followed, there was a simple informative session that was held specifically without Modest Man in attendance to apparently impose that Efreeti was FFA.

You mean kinda like Dima's Edited posts where he puts in just enough of what Darth says that you take his comments to be completely literal and directed specifically at what Dima says they are....

I read the transcripts.. i saw a LOT of Sarcasm, and a LOT of trolling in what Darth was saying... Sure that's not appropriate for a meeting... still it needs to be taken for what it is.

It's true. Though in the end that was also meant to send a message, but I feel that it holds two messages.
1. He will not stand for a dictatorship.
2. This rotation is fragile. How much damage did one action by one man cause when no one else stopped him? Granted stopping Dima from removing the Rotation spreadsheet was probably be impossible. Think about the precedent. This action effects the entire rotation. So does Faceless actions which again they admitted to and has been effecting the entire rotation ever since. Though not a dam thing was done to stop the breach in rules. Both of these acts should have been nipped in the bud, though nipping the first act by Faceless in the bud would have negated the second now wouldn't it.

Though that second one is my own far reaching example and far be it from me to do anything but speculate.

Hey Bandok since you are here. Did what occurred in leader channel actually occur?

As well there is another post of logs where Darth acts almost exactly the same. In the leader channel he opened admits his rotation breach.

Yes, Hilarious!

you mean another text log of sarcasm... cause that translates so well.

oh wait, was that sarcasm that didn't translate, or is this the sarcasm?

For your reference by the way bandok. Almost three days ago I posted exactly what you were wondering about. I noticed that 7 days comment from Darth and I made a post on that page mentioning that FFA started 2 days before AD's yet it wasn't touched. I know it's not the Schedule, but I sure as hell wasn't going to post something that was blatantly false that can be literally looked up by any officer and countered.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...chats-from-the-leaders-channel.226936/page-11

Everything I've seen copied from the logs matches what I saw Sunday night. I definitely didn't go reread the logs that were posted in their entirety, because I was there and figured I'd worry about things being misrepresented. Of course people do a lot of editing to highlight what they're trying to point out.

I was just never sure exactly how much of what was said on Sunday was just trolling MM, and how much was serious. Thursday was going to go two ways: the first was exactly what happened, and the second was that nothing substantial would happen and Darth would have a big laugh about how worked up Dima got over nothing.

Maybe FI didn't have the numbers to take it down that day? Circumstantial at best, unknown reasons why they didn't kill Efreeti.

errr.... This is the point. You have entered into an agreement with specific rules, if the rules aren't applicable to one then the rules aren't applicable to all. If the rules had been followed and voted there would not be an issue. That wasn't the case and interesting enough when Yukan asked if it was up for discussion opening the door to a negotiated settlement or at least an ethical vote now that all involved were present, clearly there was no desire to return to the pre-agreed method of decision-making.

If your going to strongarm decisions and your statements are edict then do not pretend that there is consensus or a process. "Bend the knee" as it were, Ceasar has spoken. All of the evidence is clear and unequivocal. Everyone should simply stop pretending and participating in the farce that is the rotation and leader agreements and simply petition FI for access to mobs because it is apparent this is the reality.

I have to say Dima has had the most logical argument, the most rational view and the least amount of emotional output on these official forums. Yes, there's a problem with Darth and Dima (and in the meetings is facepalm worthy). However, after reviewing the material I support Dima and MM's conclusion.

Edit: Doh - Didn't see someone already posted the quote, had the same exact reaction

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a .
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"
- Martin Niemoller

I won't argue you on that. It is circumstantial at best, though Bandok had the same thought I did and I wanted to share is all. For anyone who reads that. We simply don't know this was planned or not. Better?

Great post, to the point and unbiased. Also, couldn't help but notice that your signature is a quote used earlier, and apparently DBG considers Jews without the S bad word filter worthy? lol

Lol yea I noticed that to about the word. Though he did say that he read the content. I'm thinking when Almar see's that he should be proud.

Sleka funny that there's two people who compare this to that quote seperately.

He is.

So from what I have read its basically smaller guilds bowing down to the top guild, while excluding the 2nd top guild, and trying to enforce new rules on said 2nd top guild...and surprise surprise, 2nd top guild doesn't care for it.

So guilds that would get run over by MM are telling MM that their biggest upgrades come off a mob that they agreed (behind MM's back) would now be FFA aka FI's loot piñata....but they also expect MM to lay off of their mobs and wait their turn to be "fair"?

I am no longer a member of MM and am not even on the server any more....but good for you MM. I can't blame you for sticking up for yourselves. If FI ever fades away, make sure you lay down the laws of the server and rule with an iron fist..like these smaller guilds are trying to do to you.