Aradune & Rizlona Launch Date! - May 27

Discussion in 'News and Announcements' started by dreamweaver, Apr 28, 2020.

  1. Whoops Augur

    I invite you to play on Live for a while, and especially to complete achievements on Live. It's likely to change your opinion.
  2. Zipe Augur

    What achievements? PoP Hunters? I can't think of any other relevant Achievements that need PoP and behind instanced content and are Necessary for live (or last expansions) content.
  3. Sevelinia New Member

    When both servers reach the 3 months of PoP let them vote to see if the server goes forward or stays at PoP.
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  4. Ecko Journeyman


    I don't particularly want to start in classic again, no. But i do want to box and i do want AoC's as I want to be able to do old raid content on my terms, not when OW mobs are up or having to fight others that are perma camping them.

    I only started playing EQ in 2004 and I mained a cleric back then and did PoP progression on said Cleric, i had a SK alt at the same time on a separate account that got some flags, but I didn't bother to get all PoP flagging done on him at the time. I main changed to the SK around when we were raiding GoD/DoDH so he's pretty well flagged from there, just missing the PoP ones. I also moved the SK to FV once I stopped raiding, so finding any old world mobs up is a pain. Granted I have put myself in this position by server moving. But I was trying to do Aid Grimel and after a month+ of never finding the mobs i needed for flags up, even with trying to organise with others to do so, it frustrated me to the point I stopped playing.

    I have played on Ragefire also, was fun, but again, I like taking out old raid content as well as doing current stuff. I've not played on Ragefire for a while though, so I'm not sure on the current situation for finding OW mobs up (wasn't great when I played) but it's still not as convenient as having AoC's.

    When I say hint about PoP lock, i mean from DPG themselves. They haven't posted anything about this, or given any hints I've seen. If I saw a player claiming they were going to be PoP locked, i'd have thought they were trolling.

    I don't care either way about dedicated GM's. I don't think they should be exclusive to these 2 new TLP's, i think they should enforce the same rules across all servers, but understand why this isn't possible across all servers.

    It is what it is at the end of the day. Either they'll change Rizlona to remove the PoP lock and people would be happy, or they'll keep it as is, and different people will be happy. I personally will be having a change of circumstance around June which means I could dedicate a fair bit of my time to EQ, which is what I was looking forward to since they announced Rizlona was non true box and I personally prefer expansions after PoP. So if Rizlona does stay the same, I'll probably not bother with it. I don't want to play with true box so that rules out most of the other TLP's, which mostly leaves Ragefire or a live server.

    I did start a new team on Brekt a while back which I was going to go back to, but after the announcement Brekt is getting rolled into FV, that wouldn't be a good idea for me right now.

    As it stands, I was quite excited to come back to EQ, there is nothing quite like the start of a new server tbh, but if nothing changes I'll probably stay away rather than starting over on Live. Not that it will affect anything really what I do, but I don't think it's fair to invalidate how I, and other people, are feeling after this announcement.
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  5. Whoops Augur

    Sorry, I was trying to be brief out of embarrassment for my earlier text wall. Basically, people don't want to go play on Ragefire/Lockjaw because it lacks AoCs *and* because it has a weird era-unlocking method. The other TLPs all have truebox, and with the exception of Mangler are also either too far ahead for a fresh character to sound appealing, or are also too low-population to sound appealing. The alternative to all of those is to self-police your own progression on a live server. Then you're met with a different block: you don't have to truebox, but because there aren't AoCs, what isn't out of era to you is also very likely perma-camped. Hunter achievements just help illustrate that, not only if your goal is to get the achievements, but also if your goal was to go through past expansions on a server without truebox, because your targets would be dead all the time. (In fairness, though, Phinigel was alive earlier! So not literally everything is dead constantly!)

    Also, for whatever it's worth, not everyone was excited for 3-month unlocks starting in classic for the billionth time, either. Lots of people were hoping that some part of that equation would be different, beyond the not-truebox vs limited-truebox.
  6. planiar New Member

    What a super letdown! Super disappointing. For the first time I plan to play on a TLP server to experience past PoP and BOTH of the new servers stop in PoP.

    Please rethink this nonsense.
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  7. Idget Lorekeeper

    Despite what people say about Agnarr server its active enough, the guild I'm in there has 100 people online at any given time during peak US times. Why make another server we already have? How about at least a OoW or DoN locked server maybe.
  8. Trinost Journeyman

    I am a returning player with my girlfriend. Last time I played was in everquest live kunark just before velious was live due to being a child and not allowed to continue but everquest has always been my fondest childhood memory. I've been looking forward to this the last 3 months. I did not want to join an established server where they no longer raid previous content. I wanted to show my girlfriend my childhood love story about a boy meeting his first MMORPG. What helped create who I am today as a man. We are deeply disappointed that "Aradune" is a locked server. We do not care about a boxing server. We like it seems many others here on the forums deeply desire a classic to live server. The history being Aradune making this one very special and we would like to see it become a live server one day not locked in history but a reminder of our past and to let it grow with us. Maybe allow it to be a 2 month expansion release. Not as fast as what I've read selo's to be but maybe a little faster than its partner last year. That way one day it could be merged into Aradune if needed. Please reconsider locking this server. I will be making my plea heard here on the forums, in a game petition, and on the official discord to each developer in hopes my voice and request will be heard and Aradune is never made a locked server. I recommend the rest of the community here that wish this to do the same as it seems they are not listening to our voices here on the forums alone.
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  9. Vicus Augur

    Thats why they held a focus group...the group members told them to do the exact opposite of what they did and they still did what they wanted to anyways. That is also why Miragul was a DoA server on launch. Stop following people like a cult member and use your own head.
  10. Vicus Augur

    You arent the only one man. I started a discord server to get everyone into the TLP's together because the pre-announcements seemed awesome and very hopeful. Everyone was pretty excited because it seemed that they were at least playing on the same ball field as us now. Then yesterday happen and we are all deflated. I have zero intention of donating money to these two servers in their current form. 3 months of excitement to not playing.
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  11. Karango New Member

    When the servers were announced a month and a half ago.. I got super stoked and started playing live to fine tune my boxing setup in anticipation for Rizlona launch.. My enthusiasm waned and waned in the past "Coming weeks" and now, because of this garbage POP-Lock I will instead be unsubbing my 6 accounts and not playing on them.
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  12. Attila Augur

    So vicious! I like what they did also. Sure, the "Hardcore" guys need a server too and I hope that they get one, but I am good with whatever as long as we get to keep the 2 Character, GM enforced server they've announced. Another Selo with 2 month long release's should do the trick.
  13. Shagroth Journeyman

    Because this is the first server to have non truebox and AoC. This is a game changer, not just a reset. This brings a whole new excitement to the game for obviously a lot of people who want to box without running multiple machines at their desk.
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  14. Gnostalgia Gnome New Member

    Ex-Agnarr player here. I joined Agnarr because I had a track record of playing TLPs for a few months then getting bored and going off to other games. Turns out I joined a fun guild, met some great people, and decided I wanted to keep playing. But we all got to that point that people rightly pointed out here when Agnarr was announced - it's a dead end street. So we collectively liquidated our alts of gear, converted it to Krono, and moved to Coirnav.

    It turns out that Gates and Omens are pretty decent fun now after the re-tuning over the years, like many had said. The worst thing was that terrible attrition period where we were stuck doing Time for months and then stuck with LDoN for weeks after. That is an issue that should have been addressed for these new TLP servers. Release PoP, then LDoN maybe a month later, then after 8-10 weeks of PoP release Gates. That would do a LOT on helping stop that horrible attrition in that dead period.

    I don't post here often but lurk quite a bit. Out of all the dozens upon dozens of wish-list posts for these new TLP I can't recall a single one that asked for PoP-locked. We have that, and it's Agnarr and it has plenty of room for players because so many have left for other servers without the lock.

    And I can only guess the weeks of delay needed to "overcome technical hurdles" was in better anti-cheat systems and/or cheat detection tools? Because whatever it was, it sure as heck isn't apparent in this lackluster announcement. I mean I had thought of a lot of cool things that it might be that you were working on, such as:

    • Actual spell/melee/pet damage scaling instead of ham-fisted Mitigation of the Mighty
    • Novel ideas to alleviate popular gear-camp monopolization by krono farmers
    • Maybe all classes with appropriate race combos available at the start
    • A start in Kunark or Velious at the least. Even Luclin would be better than Classic alone.
    • Newbie armor quests available from the start
    • Unlocking mercs earlier
    • Making these keying quests something that could be done in half a day (VP, VT, Emp key, etc.)
    • Touching on the last point, generally taking away the time-sinks to try and keep people busy for a year or 6 months back in the day and making these much shorter to match the unlock schedule.
    And I could go on and on with ideas that are something different, most of which would make things less cut-throat and make people happier and able to enjoy playing with friends.

    But Mangler clones and PoP-lock is what you guys came up with? I mean if I was Dreamweaver I would have wanted to start a 2-week vacation as soon as I hit the Post button because I would have known that the next morning I'd wake up to page after page of forum rage.

    Kudos on the concept of actual GM presence and (maybe) enforcement of the rules? I mean the blatant hacks in this game have really hurt it in my opinion. That was the one thing in all this that seems intelligent. The rest just makes me wonder how you devs who seems so passionate about the game could be so oblivious and tone-deaf. Is this a case of Marketing calling the shots despite your protests?
  15. Basalisk New Member



    So even if you can true box more than 2 accounts you are not allowed on this server this option at all?
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  16. Grok Lorekeeper

    1. How are you going to enforce 2-boxing?
    This sounds neat if it's a real thing.. but it looks like just massive abuse potential. An IP restriction is not practical because so many people play with local family. VPN's are cheap and easy to use anyway. Going off people using /follow to move sounds sketchy at best... and trusting peoples /petitions even sketchier.. For all the people that say "I can tell, it's so obvious!" it's really not always that obvious. Also, what if someones is running a 2-box at camp, but a druid over vpn to teleport people for plat in the tunnel? How on earth will this be detected and resolved? There is not any way to prove someone is >2-boxing, and that screams abuse and favorites.....

    2. Is there a play nice policy?
    Are there any real rules? The current rules list 'griefing' and 'zone denial' as offenses, but not training or ks'ing. Are we going to be at the mercy of the GM interpretation of the rules at the time? Can we just get a CLEAR policy with CLEAR expectations so we don't have to have people taking our camps and saying tough luck, and so that we don't have to have people saying this is camped and report us when we steal their camp?
  17. Xanathol Augur

    I see a lot of comments that outside the PoP-lock, many were happy with the non-truebox TLP. Did you all not see the leaked conversation Holly & Dreamweaver had with their little "focus group" they choose? That Non-truebox server is going to be rife with MQusers, as the majority of their little pow-wow admitted to using it. The chat also stated that their GM enforcement would have to witness the acts themselves before doing anything. If you think that server wouldn't be cheat central, I have a great real estate deal for you!
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  18. Vicus Augur

    Well more like Vanguard, Pantheon is still going strong in production. Tomorrow is their bi-weekly live stream.
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  19. Kurage_of_Luclin Augur

    Um... don't we agree to no automated gameplay on all servers regardless ?
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  20. phaeril Augur

    Gonna set up some kind of name reservation this go around?
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