Test Update 02/08/2017 - Patch Notes and Discussions

The enchanter changes are way too much.
Unity rune having recast over doubled is just wrong.
Chrome haze procing of the next dot hit, also completely wrong
If I understand this, the mana cost of unity going from:
4788 to 2150+2988+1339=6477 is also uncalled for
As for the charm values, I would have to test them to see the difference.
Please reconsider the changes you are proposing, they really are too much

Useless, if the AoC's aren't usable.

Before to test a new patch for next week, fix your LAUNCHPAD, one time for all.....

Totally agreed.
If Chromatic Haze procs off a DoT - it eliminates the ability to use it wisely. HUGE nerf.
Doubling unity rune recast? WHY??? Huge nerf on survivability in a pinch.
-Rat
PS: Nerf to SK's also uncalled for - only a very few "swarm".

Speaking as an Enchanter since '99 who never saw reason to post here before;
Excuse the ever living %^&* out of me? Really??
Just to impart a clue rake.... Enchanters cannot "rune tank" any raid mobs or EoK named. PERIOD.
Rune tanking of single trash mobs IS possible - but it takes so long to kill them solo that it's not worth it.
The faster rune and the hate it generates allows us to perhaps "rune tank" for a little bit to save a group wipe - this is situational and part of "crowd control" - when the crowd gets ugly.
I know Daybreak above and foremost understands only the language of CA$H.
If this goes through, my box Mage will remain Silver for the rest of this expansion!!!
Please don't construe this as a "threat" for the sake of board rules - because it's a promise!
Love and ki$$es, Jam
PS: This not to even mention the Chromatic Haze issue - also very bad.

Something isn't right with Gift of Hazy Thoughts. The way you worded the change you made it sound as if the DoT must have an initial DD component as well as a DoT/tick. Below is the Test spell data.

[42644/42644] Gift of Chromatic Haze
Classes: ENC/254
Skill: Melee
Target: Target Group, MGB: No
Range: 200', AE Range: 200'
Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
Focusable: No
Casting: 0s
Duration: 12s (2 ticks) Song, Extendable: No, Dispelable: No
Max Hits: 1 Matching Spells
1: Increase Base Spell Damage by 40%
2: Limit Type: Detrimental
3: Limit Max Duration: 0s
4: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
5: Limit Max Level: 110 (lose 100% per level)
6: Limit Min Value: 100 Current HP SPA
10: Increase Chance to Critical Nuke by 100%
11: Increase Base Spell Damage by 40%
12: Limit Type: Detrimental
13: Limit Min Value: 100 Current HP Non Repeating SPA
14: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
15: Limit Max Level: 110 (lose 100% per level)
Text: You feel strengthened by a gift of magic.
Increases the base damage of %L level #5 and lower direct-damage spells that cost at least #4 mana and deal at least #6 damage by #1 to $1% and increase the chance that these spells will land critically by #10%.

Played around on Test for awhile and look at this. Mind Storm is eating the Gift of Chromatic Haze procs but is not critting due to it being a DoT tick. You do realize that in this form we will lose a ton of DPS from Haze procs being ate without critting by DoTs, whereas normally they were ate on Nuke Casts right?

Either fix it to function and crit on DoT ticks too, or change it back so only DD's can eat the procs.

[Thu Feb 09 09:04:32 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic. - GoCH Proc
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:32 2017] An Alaran spirit soother is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:32 2017] Skreaper is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:33 2017] a scavenging beetle begins to cast a spell. <Beetle Poison>
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:34 2017] Your Gift of Chromatic Haze spell has worn off of Telchar.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:34 2017] Your Deathseeker's Mindlock Pants shimmers briefly.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:34 2017] You begin casting Mindcleave Rk. III.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:35 2017] Your theft of life cascades to those around you. You have been healed for 22606 points.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:36 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:36 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:36 2017] A scavenging beetle has taken 66708 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - Next DoT Tick/Non Crit
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:36 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:04:36 2017] The gift of magic fades. - GoCH proc fades

[Thu Feb 09 09:14:20 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic. - GoCH proc
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:20 2017] An Alaran spirit soother is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:20 2017] Skreaper is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:21 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:21 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:21 2017] A scavenging beetle has taken 76332 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - First DoT tick/non crit
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:21 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:21 2017] The gift of magic fades. - GoCH proc ate

[Thu Feb 09 09:14:50 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic. - GoCH proc
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:50 2017] An Alaran spirit soother is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:50 2017] Skreaper is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:50 2017] Your Gift of Chromatic Haze spell has worn off of Skreaper.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:51 2017] You are filled with pulsing mana.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:52 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:52 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:52 2017] A scavenging beetle has taken 319341 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - First DoT tick after/non crit
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:52 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:52 2017] The gift of magic fades. - GoCH proc ate

[Thu Feb 09 09:14:58 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic. - Gift of Chromatic Haze Proc
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:58 2017] An Alaran spirit soother is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:58 2017] Skreaper is strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:58 2017] You are guarded by Knight's Synergy.
[Thu Feb 09 09:14:59 2017] 1 item(s): Diamond given to Skreaper. It has been removed from your Shared Loot List.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:00 2017] You are invigorated by Brell's Invigorating Redress.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:00 2017] Your Gift of Chromatic Haze spell has worn off of Telchar.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:02 2017] --Skreaper has looted a Diamond.--
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:03 2017] Your Deathseeker's Mindlock Pants shimmers briefly.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:03 2017] You begin casting Drown Rk. III.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:04 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:04 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:04 2017] A scavenging beetle has taken 73288 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - First DoT tick after/notice non crit
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:04 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 09:15:04 2017] The gift of magic fades. - GoCH proc ate

The worst part is, you guys won't listen and this will get rolled out to Live like always. Wait until next month right? smh

Sks can swarm EoK mobs without a healer.
That means they are overpowered.
Even after this, all tanks are still overpowered.

I wonder nobody mentioned this:

*** NPCs ***
- Tuned down some charmed NPC combat values that were unintentionally stronger than non-charm combat values.

As it's rather cryptic, so one can only guess ...

Don't worry. They're next in line.

it would need tested and compared. I hope they mean there was some uber powerful mob that they fixed the values on and its not a blanket change to many npcs.
More description on that bullet point would be nice though.

If the intention was to give some ability for necros to be able to utilize Gift of Chromatic Haze procs without using a dd, and to ensure it didn't get insane for their individual dps numbers by both allowing 100% crit rate and 40% Base increase on the same dot tick every GoCh proc, I get that. But you effectively just neutered enchanter dps for those of us that dot and nuke for absolutely no reason.

Not to mention the fact that necros don't need dps help. They are fine as it is.

Change CH and Hazy Thought procs back the way they were. This is stupid

Thank Drogbaa for showing the world that FM could be swarmed without a healer moron....

The Chromatic Haze changes are sad unless they change them to affect both a dot AND a dd. Otherwise chanters going to have to hold off on dots until after they've fired CH.

Merc changes sound good on paper. But that's a lot of code to modify. Wizzie mercs need about 20% dps boost at full modification though. Even my mage runs circles around their dps and he's not even trying.

CH is just our AA though. We are effectively losing dps on every GoCH passive proc from dds, stuns or dots.

If this stays how it is on test, the following will occur.

Nuke based parses to see where DPS is without DoTs.

Nuke/dot based parses to see where DPS is without controlling GoCH charges and how they are ate

Its a very very poor change imo.

Came here to make this same point; how will this help at all unless you've fixed using agents of change in picks. I looked and didn't see that in the patch notes. Oversight (missing form the notes) or another half-thought out fix for a problem you created by putting 16ish AoC's in one zone?

Some really poorly thought out changes here.

Load Balancing PoTranq without accompanying notes about either AoCs being moved or usable in picks.

Pick nerfs without a severe reduction in numbers needed to spawn a pick; most caps seem to be around 40-50, yet most exp zones (at least for Vel / Luclin / PoP on Phinny) only hold 2-3 groups before becoming mob starved; no consideration for "a group member dies, group over".

This looks like a crit to me; there isn't an explicit message stating that a DoT crits. So I'd imagine it can crit, it just isn't guaranteed like for nukes.

I would test it to make sure, but login servers are down

Yeah that one did look like a crit for sure. Should still be allowed crit rate 100% was my point. Otherwise revert it back to DD because all we gain is 40% base + if the dot was gonna crit anyways. Still a bump to a degree but most would agree they would rather control that GoCH proc to ensure it critted on a nuke than gamble and just get a 40% base dot tick increase. Its win win for the necros for sure, but classes that dot/nuke like enchanters it doesn't allow you to choose what eats the charge if you are doing both.

It's not like we proc GoCH all the time anyways.

That's the issue, yes. The new lines added to the spell data:



This combined with the wording in the patch notes leads us to believe the change is intended to allow Chromatic Haze and Hazy Thoughts to affect DoT damage but without modifying the critical hit chance, effectively rendering this as a nerf to any class that has both DoTs and nukes, since you can't consistently control which DoT tick the damage will be applied to, and the only way to ensure the charge is eaten by a nuke would be to run an audio trigger for DoT ticks and cast a fast-cast nuke right after your dots tick.

We would very much like this to be reconsidered.

Edit: GDI Sind, post slower.

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