Test Update 02/08/2017 - Patch Notes and Discussions

No it's not. Test dummy 103 cast it and then mind storm, buff sits there and isn't used. Cast drown or constriction and it's used.

ABSURD to put that long of a cast time on Enchanter Unity runes. COME ON, take that off it is ridiculous. Thats going to leave us with no survivability at all. I never knew there were stackable versions of unity before, so I can care less about that but I do use Enticer's Unity and you just made it basically worthless. Before I could get a few casts of it off to get mobs locked down with mez. Now when its gone its gone, and I'll be sitting at bind with the rest of my group due to mez resists and all that loveliness you guys have put in already.

What a joke, you guys just love to nerf the classes that dont deserve it over and over but classes that are doing over 1m dps dont get touched. Im about done with this game after playing since 2001, you are ruining it with every patch. Way to alienate your playerbase rather then tune classes correctly.

Zerkers could be a tougher issue to fix. Since they're currently capable of doubling/tripling the output of other dps classes (depending on skill/class), nerfing them is the equivalent of removing players from guild rosters. Really needs to be a combination of paring back their dps and boosting other dps classes otherwise the mid tier and lower guilds will likely suffer setbacks on EoK raids. Then again, I'm not used to seeing the dev team look at the consequences of nerfs and they generally steamroll rather than fine tune.

Still boggles my mind how out of touch the dev team was giving what was the strongest dps class in TBM the biggest dps boosts in EoK.

Guess someone is a zerker hater, or jealous that their class can't out dps a zerker. Zerkers have been hit with their fair share of the nerf bat over the years. Have to remember, all we have is dps. No spells, no buffs, no crowd control, can't solo, can't tank, can't fd, can't pull (unless you want everything at once)... we SHOULD be at the top of the dps as it's all we have.

Sure, but double everyone else? I mained a rogue for many years, and could say the same exact thing as you. But Rogues are below wizards right now, so that argument goes out the window doesnt it?

Top of the parse is one thing being twice a wizard is another =P much as i like to see zerks shine after maining one for 8 years during those tough times something is off haha

P.S still more adps then a monk =P

P.P.S I blame Ngreth for everything wrong with eq ^_^

I'm not sure what kinda zerker you or your friends are but i know a couple zerkers who solo, may not be nameds, but they solo in Caves of Kor-Sha....

I have no problems with Zerkers being Top DPS, but by 2-3x more dps is total BS. Their is a massive difference between 20% higher than everyone else and 100% or more. I'm also VERY sure it was not the Devs intention for Zerkers to be able to kill end game trash mobs in less than 5 seconds. And no, I'm talking about dark blues that you can Decap and kill in 2 secs, I'm talking about yellow con mobs losing 40%+ their hp from a single cast of Dicho, ect.

Never in the history of the game has class balance got that far off, not even close. I've seen 50% off before, but nothing even close to 100%+. Not to mention they don't even need ADPS to do this. Like Gelido said, I don't know what Zerks you roll with but the ones I know kill current mobs in 10 secs or less. Anyone can solo when you can kill mobs that fast.

I think it's funny that out of four pages of posts here, only one mentions the DoT change to Druids and Shammys. I can show you videos of Chanters soloing major EoK content. I have grouped with at least 3 Sks in the last week that can take 4 - 5 mobs at once in EoK zones INCLUDING NAMED MOBS IN THAT PULL - and they are nowhere near the leading SKs on the server. Druids haven't been able to kill 4 or 5 mobs at once in current content forever. Druids can't even molo named mobs from 3 expansions ago. Trying to kill even one normal mob in current content is a risky proposition - and when mobs are immune to snare and root, forget it. Same for Shammys. The rhetoric of the 'group' geared SK a few posts back betrays a complete lack of understanding of the state of underserved classes like Druid and Shammys. He says - oh poor baby! - he can 'only' tank 4 mobs at once with healer merc on reactive. Druids haven't been able to molo 4 mobs at once in, well, ten years, perhaps never could. And chanter's have a rune now NERFED to 28 second recast. Boo hoo! Druids have a rune AA that has a 2 minute recast and absorbs something like 30K damage! Useless! Until 2 months ago that AA had a 15 minute recast! Yes! Indeed! So, suck it up Chanters and SKs - you have been living high on the hog for a long time - welcome to the real world. Geez - druids, even well geared druids, can barely solo/molo anywhere even in content 3 expansions old. Sorry folks - no sympathy from me at all - learn to play a game that isn't just pull and spank while going AFK to watch TV. (This goes for mages as well!) This patch is about extending a small olive branch to druids and shammys. The rest of it is just desserts.

There is no DD off the cast of Mind Storm, so it can't eat it, but the dot tick most certainly is. Try again. Drown and Bewildering both have a DD component, which on cast should eat the charge too, by this changes wording. So that is accurate

[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic. - GoCH proc
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] Sindaiann hit Combat Dummy Fana for 11421 points of non-melee damage.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You deliver a critical blast! (11421)
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] Combat Dummy Fana is struck by magic.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
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[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 6 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 6 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] Your Deathseeker's Mindlock Pants shimmers briefly.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You begin casting Mindcleave Rk. III.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 5 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Combat Dummy Fana has taken 348053 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - DoT tick which ate charge and critted
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] You are filled with pulsing mana.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Your Meteor's Mantle flickers with a pale light.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] The gift of magic fades. - GoCH proc used

Not a Zerker hater at all. But you are crazy if you think their dps isn't ridiculous. I main a rogue and I could argue the same thing... that's all they do is dps. Why should a Zerker double a rogue or a wiz? It makes no sense at all. If they don't bring zerker dps down, they need to boost other classes to compensate for how out of scale it is atm. I have no problem with them being top dps.. but it shouldn't put other pure dps classes to shame.

Might as well scrap Mortal Coil altogether at this rate. I'm curious why now it's an issue after it's been out for years and already having been nerfed. If the intent was to take some of the fun out of playing an SK, you nailed it. I guess that's one less account I'll need prestige for, thanks Daybreak.

weird, I think you guys forgot to mention the usual Mage nerf, what gives?

They're usually appended to the patch notes after someone discovers them on test.

Not getting this can cast mind storm both before and after haze and it doesn't eat counters for me. May want to strip out anything but mind storm and haze you may be getting some other effect using haze counter up.

Yeah I have tested it six ways from Sunday. Fade is occuring BEFORE the part that ate the charge. So in the case above....its actually this.....

[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You feel strengthened by a gift of magic.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] Sindaiann hit Combat Dummy Fana for 11421 points of non-melee damage.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You deliver a critical blast! (11421)
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] Combat Dummy Fana is struck by magic.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:52 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:53 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 6 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 6 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] Your Deathseeker's Mindlock Pants shimmers briefly.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You begin casting Mindcleave Rk. III.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can use the ability Banestrike again in 0 minute(s) 5 seconds.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:54 2017] You haven't recovered yet...
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mind Storm feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] Combat Dummy Fana has taken 348053 damage from your Mind Storm Rk. III. - NOT THIS
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:55 2017] You are filled with pulsing mana.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Your Meteor's Mantle flickers with a pale light.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] The gift of magic fades.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Your Irae Faycite Shard: Mindcleave feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Your Velazul's Mindlock Wristguard feels alive with power.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Sindaiann hit Combat Dummy Fana for 242421 points of non-melee damage.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] You deliver a critical blast! (242421)
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Combat Dummy Fana's mind is sliced by a blade of pure thought.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] Sindaiann hit Combat Dummy Fana for 23081 points of non-melee damage.
[Thu Feb 09 18:41:56 2017] You deliver a critical blast! (23081)

My mistake. Last scenario I've been parsing made this evident after 6hrs or parsing other things (best dps scenario once live)

in all honesty i think DB has lost contact to their game...well not theirs, the one they bought. So SKs loose a cruical ability because they can swarm a bunch of blue mobs (sorry, 1 SK swarming in FM in full raidgear does NOT make a class overpowered) Nice. What about those zerkers that maybe can not swarm a bunch of blues...no they just 1 shot em so it's not swarming!!

Seriously, this nerf is like the rangers HS nerf with Hail of Arrows line of spells. Why think about a problem if you can just nerf a spell...its easier.

DB is unable to determine the core of it. Let's swing the nerfbat, thats easier than actually thinking about the situation and come up with a clever solution that actually adresses the issue.

Well, more Zerker Boxes inc!

The changes to Mortal Coil and the SK Epic were already discussed between active players and the Dev team years ago and we all agreed on how those two effects should be altered to make them less overpowering and set in their current form. Repostes were discussed at that point as well, those effects in their current form (reduced hit count, and increased chance for residue) fulfilled both the Dev's and the player base's concerns. If there is an issue with new content, then the issue is with new content, not a years old ability

any chance we can discuss this chanter nerf or is it a done deal?

this has already been a bad expansion for us, ie getting zero class aa's and only one new spell (alliance)

this will be a major backslide for the class, completely losing a role in groups we've been able to fill for several years.

though monks as pullers was not originially intended, they began to use feign death to perform this role and eventually got more tools that added to this in the form of the guaranteed memblur ae mez and moving mountains.

when harmonious arrow was first nerfed in sod, rangers were given flusterbolt and blusterbolt to help them maintain their newfound role as puller.

is there any chance we can get similar treatment and receive something to help us maintain our role as a substitute tank in group content?

Do these merc changes mean my 105 tank merc will finally be able to actually tank light blues without folding like a college beer pong table?