MSW-R vs. Orion VS54

Recently my friends and I have gotten into an argument about which gun is superior. These are the stats of the MSW-R and Orion. The gun stated is the victor of that category and will have its stats listed first and compared to the other guns.

Damage: Same
Rate of fire: Same
Muzzle Velocity: MSW-R (580 vs 570)
ADS Movement: Orion VS54 (0.75 vs 0.5)
Reload Speed: MSW-R (3.045 vs 3.28)
Reload Speed Long: MSW-R (3.305 vs 3.655)
Ammunition: Same
Hipfire: Orion (2.25, 2.75, 2.75, 3.5 vs 2.25, 3, 3, 3.75)
ADS: MSW-R (0.35 vs 0.4 while moving standing) All others are same
Bloom: Same
Vertical Recoil: MSW-R (0.35 vs 0.4)
Horizontal Recoil: Orion (0.2/0.225 vs 0.225/0.225)
Angle Min/Max: Orion (0/0 vs 17/20)
Bias: Orion (None vs right pull)
Recoil Decrease: Same
First shot recoil multiplier: Orion (2.25 vs 2.5)
Cost: Orion (Free VS 100 certs)

So now I ask, which is the better weapon in your experience?

Polaris!

Orion, for dat dere 0,75 ADS movement multiplier.

Betelgeuse.

Rember MSW-R can also access SPA and ALS. Orion can not. So depending on how you look at it, that could be counted as advantage for MSW-R

Here's another way to look at the data:

The Orion has:

• Smaller min horizontal recoil (.2 vs .225)
• Smaller FSRM (2.25x vs 2.5x)
• Tighter default hipfire COF - canceled out by the MSW-R's ALS.
• .75x ADS Movement

The MSW-R has:

• Faster short reloads (3.045s vs 3.28s)
• Faster long reloads (3.305s vs 3.655s)
• Lower vertical recoil (.35 vs .4)
• Lower horizontal tolerance (.55 vs .9)
• tighter moving ADS COF (.35 vs .4)
• Faster muzzle velocity (580m/s vs 570m/s)
• Access to Advanced Laser Sight - canceled out by the Orion's tighter default hipfire
• Access to Soft Point Ammo - thus faster TTK from 10-15m

IIRC, Wrel's video review of the NS-15M LMG had a side-by-side-by-side screenshot comparison of the hipfire COF on the Orion+laser, NS-15M+Laser, and MSW-R+ALS. All three were almost identical, with an ever-so-slight edge going to the MSW-R (but not big enough to make any difference).

That said, I would say that they're both the same from 0-10m. The MSW-R is superior from 10-15m if you have to have ALS and SPA equipped, since its TTK is faster at that range due to SPA, and 15m is still within hipfire range.

From 15-40m the advantage goes to the Orion due to its .75x ADS movement. Anything past that and the MSW-R becomes noticeably more accurate by nature of its lower vertical recoil, lower horizontal tolerance, tighter moving ADS COF, and faster muzzle velocity, and it starts to regain the advantage.

MSW-R is one of if not the best LMGs in the game.

I would say the MSR-W, Orion, Anchor, and NS-15 are very close in terms of best LMG in the game with no clear overall winner since they all trade things in one area for things in other areas.

Pretty much this. But I would add the SVA-88 and EM6 to that list too.

So since I have a few VS and TR characters I thought I compare them:


That help at all?

34 hours and over 1300 kills with the mswr?

PewPewLasers Orion stats are better than that though:

This

Indeed. In my humble opinion this is THE best LMG in the game.

It has its downsides but I largely agree with you. When people think of sidegrades the Betelgeuse should be the first thing they think of. It is a major sidegrade to the Orion, better in some ways, worse in some others.

For me it stacks up like this.

Betelgeuse >= Orion > SVA-88 >>>> Everything else

EM6 trades the accuracy that the Anchor has for a huge magazine, and the SVA-88 is sadly a shell of its former self. Both of those guns are great but I wouldn't put them in the same category of those other four, more like in the same category as the CARV.

I don't think the EM6 loses anything in the accuracy dept, at least during ADS.

Anchor has:

• better Horizontal Tolerance (.4 vs .7)
• lower vertical recoil stock (.4 vs .45) - overcome by EM6's compensator
• faster recoil recovery (13 vs 12)
• faster bullets (600m/s vs 570m/s) - equalled by EM6's HV ammo (+28.5m/s)

EM6 has:

• lower FSRM (1.8 vs 2)
• more consistent recoil angle (0|0 vertical vs 18-20 degress pulling to the right)
• lower vertical recoil if compensator is equipped (.3825 vs .4)

Of the above differences, the only ones that can't be easily overcome by player skill are the H.Tolerance (advantage: Anchor) and recoil angle (advantage: EM6). In fact I'm more accurate w/ the EM6 due to its 0|0 recoil angle. The way I see it the EM6 is every bit as good as the Anchor. It just gets a 2x size mag over the Anchor, and in exchange the Anchor gets better hipfire, Adv Laser, and SP ammo.
As for the SVA-88, the nerfs it has received have all raised its skill floor considerably, so it's not as newbie-friendly. But once you get used to the changes it regains almost all of its former glory. The only real nerf I think it received that can't be overcome with skill was its increased moving ADS COF. Of course given how much I've used the SVA I might be slightly biased...

Anchor has better moving CoF, I think.

0.75 X versus 0.5 X movement speed multiplier is decision breaking to me, I really can't understand ppl who say it's not a big deal, it's basically how the gunplay works that makes it a big deal (and for good reasons).

if speed multiplier was not so important there would be no reason to hipfiring, the ads CoF wouldn't be considered a factor in weapon balance and there would be no reason to put laser sight into the game.
if a weapon has faster ADS movement is like every other gun it faces in a gunfight as a little less DPS, because faster moving target will always mean that a couple of bullet will miss.