[Suggestion] Let's talk about phoenix

Really now?

Not sure if it matters with how the Lancer's range was dragged down or how that will compare against carrying around a dumbfire. I still need to find a way to have fun with this.

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Here we go babbling about damage, speeds, acceleration, etc.
************* THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM with your beloved phoenix !!!! ***************************
**** The only thing that we ask to be FIXED is the CAPABILITY TO BE FIRED FROM THE SPAWN ROOM **** PERIOD.

Because this illogical (if you can't fire a dumb rocket through the shield, why should you be able to fire a tv guided one?????) and totally unfair "feature", we now see a spam of NC spawn room "warriors" that practically can reach and destroy any vehicle including ones parked in adjacent bases. And please, don't tell me about how "hard" it is to steer the poenix and ****. That also is not true. As a lightning driver, I have to make incredible stunts just to avoid one ****** blue orb. But there is not one, but most likely 3, 4 or more. And they keep coming, because there's no ammo limit and the brave spawnroom lads don't even need to look around for threats between two launches.
So, HOW THE *** can't you not see how this puts in great disadvantage both the VS and TR compared to NC???????? Either are you blind, stupid or prefer not to see it! Every base assault is twice as hard for the VS and TR, simply because their sunderers and vehicles are continuously bombarded with tv guided missiles and there is almost no place to hide. The only ones who don't have this problem are the NC, simply because the TR and VS don't have ANY SIMILAR WEAPON (nope, lancers and strikers ARE NOT BY FAR SIMILAR, if only because they CANNOT HIT SUNDERERS behind a building or a mountain). And if anyone says again how OP is the strikerm bla bla... then maybe you should ask the devs to replace the phoenix with a similar weapon to the striker, right?

As Drsexxytime said earlier, your favorite toy has to be fixed, because it really breaks the gameplay (only for VS and TR, of course!).
And I really hate playing planetside while cursing NC players (and the "inventor" of the phoenix) every 10 seconds.

Why am I not amazed that the only advocates of the phoenix in its actual form are NCs, anyway?

Ya really. Go try it out.

It doesn't kill with 2 charges. It kills with 2 shot of 3FULL charges.

That's like 3second +aim+shot (first hit) then 3seconds+aim+shot+kill.
If you don't miss. And the ESF doesn't repair

Probably because we NC are the only one who've used it in depth before.

You are defending a Bug, not the phoenix

Not really. The Phoenix is the weakest launcher in the game, reload bug or not. I accept that the bug will eventually be fixed, or maybe it won't. Doesn't change a whole lot.

And on top of that this bug is nothing new. It's existed before for a long time, then was "fixed." Still came up from time to time until it was reinstated properly. No one ever complained about the Phoenix before even with the bug. This is all just mob mentality.

So, when the Phoenix is only made to not fire from spawn, will VS & TR get the immobility, blindness, and deafness for their Lancers & Strikers?
As, literally I have no issue with the spawn-thing being fixed if the weapon was made practical outside the bloody room.

To use a Phoenix, you make yourself a perfect target that is blind, deaf, and unable to move - for the entire flight of a missile that can't kill anything but an Infil.
Which is also loud as hell, and leaves a trail right to the easy kill that is the phoenix user.

A striker has the longest possible range for an AA launcher, and can be fired on the move, from valks, as well allows the user to wield their LMG & Sidearm at all times.

A Lancer, is the longest range AV Launcher, which like the Striker allows itself to be fired while moving, from valks, and allows wielding LMG's & Sidearms.

The Phoenix however does not.
So rather than just send the Phoenix into oblivion of uselessness after the reloading bug is fixed, and spawn is rendered unavailable after which no where can the Phoenix be used without near suicide...
We modify the weapon for practical use, or convert it into a new non-shotgun direct-fire weapon for NC.

Phoenix isn't AA, isn't AV, and certainly fails at AI.
Striker is AA
Lancer is AV

Do we not deserve to use our own Launcher without being a masochistic, or is that a VS & TR only Thing?

last time i checked the Phoenix is still able to steer around cover so you don't have to expose yourself, unlike both the Striker and Lancer which can be shot at from the target they are trying to fire at.

Lancer & Striker exposes self for a second.
Phoenix is engaged, found, or LOS gained on it, is unable to even act.

So that cover only lasts till someone finds it - or isn't the target whom the cover is directed towards.
A Lancer or Striker, still has an LMG, and ability to move.
Phoenix has to pray the missile already hit, or they are a free kill.

After all, only one of these is rendered immobile, at said cover, blind at said cover, deaf at said cover, and unarmed at said cover.

man you really are irritating in your stupidity. Why do you only use the Phoenix when you are the only person in a base? Just like the Lancer got nerfed because 12 or more of them were strong, the phoenix is best used in conjunction with allies.

Ah, so when others exist, no one else can possible get LOS on the Phoenix user unlike everyone else?
Like Jesus, I make a habit of smoking vulnerable targets in groups - a stationary one, even surrounded by 10 guys, is not only the easiest, but also the most useless one of that group.
If cover is only invalided by being the single person there, by anyone moving or getting LOS which apparently needs only 1 person alive on the Phoenix's team.. You play with a bunch of *******.

yeah, phoenix needs plural to kill one infantryman.
And plural to not be out-repaired by a grenade.

So no, it's not "only man in base" when "Phoenix is blind, deaf, vulnerable"
As cover isn't magically able to handle every threat, nor is an ally:
As a Lancer & Friend is two guys with guns.
A Phoenix & Friend is 1 guy with a gun, the other basically AFK.

Jesus.

The Phoenix technically used to have a pretty good multiplier against Air targets before CAI.

Good to know.

Odd as hell, given the likelihood of hitting a non-Galaxy would be pretty screwed if it wasn't oblivious.

Does it still bring ESF down to 1 pistol shot away from exploding? Haven't played NC heavy in a while.

The phoenix has a range of 300m, not of 30, you don't have to stand INFRONT OF A TANK to hit it. you can chill behind the combat and lob rockets at the tank. and then if you get killed, you get killed, just like everyone else WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE IDEA TO NOT ALLOW PHOENIX ROCKETS FROM THE SPAWNROOM

Ah, who said the tank you are firing at from behind cover is the one finding you?
Lancer, Striker, anyone else, behind that cover, isn't screwed if they fired: Phoenix? Pray you are only found while reloading.

Literally.
Stand in cover in a base - Anyone in that entire battle finds a line to you, with their gun, unlike everyone else, you don't have any options.
You just die.
Everyone else, can move, can shoot.

Edit:
Also you do realize, I've been saying the gun needs to be practical outside of the spawn so it no longer has to be fired from there right?
Right now, if you aren't there, using a Phoenix makes you the easiest kill unless you are stuck in a 360 degree hole.

shorter non inflight reload, Boost button to quicken up the flight if you have direct sight on your target and using the keybinds for aircraft instead of Tank controls. done