ACX-11 needs 5 more rounds in the mag and greater projectile velocity

Larolyn · Oct 3, 2013

Lamat said: ↑

“Wouldn't it be nice if the "NC flavor" weapons were the ones the enemy feared and what made you want to play NC?”

This right here. Both the Lynx and the Jaguar scare me. I'm scared of the Hailstorm. I'm scared of the Chaingun. I'm scared of the VX-67. ACX-11? I'd sometimes be better off throwing old fish at the enemy instead. At least they might be repulsed enough to leave me be or just go "let's not kill the crazy". The SAW is scary in medium range. The ACX-11 Carbine is just not scary. I'm working towards my auraxium, have 300 kills with it and ditched it in favour of a GD7F. Just better killing potential at all the ranges I commonly engage in with my engi.

Make the enemy fear the roar of my faction trait 200 damage ACX-11 carbine!

Armchair · Oct 3, 2013

Aegie said: ↑

“Just curious, have you tried the Razor? I cut my teeth with the ACX-11 on a LA and just recently unlocked the Razor and have been kicking myself ever since for not unlocking it sooner. I have yet to find a single situation where I do worse with the Razor than the ACX-11. Snipers? Not a problem at all with the Razor, even though I tend to run with a hybrid short/long setup, I can put head shots down range a lot faster, the drop is easier to judge and by default the clustering is better because it has higher ROF so each burst is tighter by definition. Basically, unless they make changes I honestly do not think I will ever go back to the ACX-11 for anything.”

No. I haven't. I was drawn to the ACX-11 initially because it was one of the only weapons that made me feel like I wasn't shooting paintballs. Yes, its dps is bad. But it hurts when you connect, and that's what I cared about.

To put things in perspective, I usually play FPS's like Red Orchestra 2. Weapons are SIGNIFICANTLY more lethal there. NC traits are superb in such an environment. Staying in cover and making your shots count are king. Run-n-gun is a good way to die outside of knife fighting range. Deployed LMG's are a deterrent from entering an open area in a true sense of the word because YOU WILL DIE if you're foolish enough to attempt it. To give you an idea of just how dead you will be, imagine these stats on a deployed machine gun: ~800 rpm, ~900 damage per shot, ~800+ m/s bullet velocity, and comparable accuracy to PS2's sniper rifles except without the exaggerated sway. It gives meaning to the term "no-man's land."

Sorry about the rant there. I just always find it odd when people talk about PS2's short TTK when it feels downright glacial to me. That's fine though. PS2 isn't even trying to be realistic and I can enjoy it for what it is. Just like I can enjoy TF2's unrealism. Different games that support different skills and tactics. I'll be sure to give the Razor a try next time I play.

Goretzu · Oct 4, 2013

Aegie said: ↑

“IMO, the people who complain about this are only looking at the 845RPM and saying "that's not fair, you're NC so you are supposed to have the lowest ROF".

Well, whatever, I have plenty of examples for those people why this should not be a very big deal- especially when you look at the rest of the stats and see that for a weapon with that damage*ROF it is hardcoded as the worst.

You can make these kinds of "where's my faction trait" arguments in a lot of different ways- for instance, of the 27 highest damage per shot weapons 8 are NC 8 are TR and 9 are VS. Now, granted, they are sniper rifles but that forgets that the sniper rifle is precisely where higher damage per shot matters so it still is a little strange these are all equal. Then, outside sniper rifles, the weapons with the highest damage per shot are the Commissioner and Underboss- both NS sidearms so that any faction, any class, any time can carry them and have whatever flavor they want on the primary with pocket NC traits that are more NC than NC.

At least TR does in fact have the highest ROF infantry weapon in the game with the Armistice at 896RPM and any class can carry that one- NC simply does not have exclusive access the highest damage per shot infantry weapon and the highest damage per shot infantry weapons are restricted to one class and primarily one role (extreme long range).

I really do not understand what goes through the minds of the people at SOE when we see one faction consistently out performed overall and in most categories for nearly a year without doing anything substantive to address the issue. I realize balance will never be perfect but in that context I would think it preferable to force a situation where one faction is not allowed to remain on the top, bottom, or middle forever.

I mean, think about flinch- 4+ months of putting up with that nonsense and what do we get? Well, we get to actually play the game and that was nice but there was exactly 0 consolation for those who stuck with an issue that really never should have been there in the first place and could and should have been corrected more or less immediately. Now, I'm not saying I want NC to be stupid OP for the next several months but what I am saying is that unless someone can provide a sound explanation for why we have been out performed since release then it is long over due that they look into the issue. If it ends up that data starts showing the NC out in the lead across the board and this appears to be stable then they can always dial some things back.

It's true that with data like this some faction and some item is pretty much always going to be on top, even if by a small amount, what is not true is that this has to be the same faction or same item all the time. If the only factor in these metrics was random variation (i.e. everything actually was balanced) then the rankings would fluctuate randomly over time and, at least in theory, you can always get closer to this kind of true balance if you know well enough what you are doing and take care to analyze the data and make regular adjustments.

I think the ACX-11 is the perfect place to start because 1) it's a carbine so it somewhat limited to begin with such that any change is unlikely to result in large scale effects, 2) API has shown that this weapon under performs compared to other options, even within NC, 3) it is an iconic weapon in that it is the most NC carbine available so the NC should be drawn to using it, if for no other reason than organically improving faction diversity in-game, 4) the changes I suggest would still leave the character of the weapon clearly intact, still having the fewest rounds, greatest recoil, worst movement COF and hipfire and would only 5) make the weapon what it clearly wants to be, a competitive long range carbine because, lets face it, the NC traits are such that you are most accurate when standing still in ADS and that is usually a terrible idea in a FPS unless you can keep your distance from the opposition and remain effective.”

Oh absolutely the GD-7F isn't good when compared to say the Jag or the Lynx, it's just good in CQB compared to every other NC carbine.

In fact to make a low RoF/high damage per bullet CQB Carbine that equalled them, it would have to have considerably more raw DPS, I think (which is, of course, the opposite of what SOE seem to do for some reason).

I've thought the AC-X11 needed buffing for a long time now, and the changes here seem quite reasonable. They don't buff direct power (which is ok, if not amazing), but they do buff indirect things (things that make the NC6 viable in its role) damage per clip and bullet velocity.

Neither really make much sense as they are now.

lilleAllan · Oct 4, 2013

Larolyn said: ↑

“This right here. Both the Lynx and the Jaguar scare me. I'm scared of the Hailstorm. I'm scared of the Chaingun. I'm scared of the VX-67. ACX-11? I'd sometimes be better off throwing old fish at the enemy instead. At least they might be repulsed enough to leave me be or just go "let's not kill the crazy". The SAW is scary in medium range. The ACX-11 Carbine is just not scary. I'm working towards my auraxium, have 300 kills with it and ditched it in favour of a GD7F. Just better killing potential at all the ranges I commonly engage in with my engi.

Make the enemy fear the roar of my faction trait 200 damage ACX-11 carbine!”

People are scared of NC (infantry) weapons - at mid range. Gauss SAW, Gauss Rifle, Razor - these things are great for mid-long.

To me, the problem with NC is our lackluster CQC options. Where NC/VS have 2 CQC carbines / LMGs, NC has 1 - at 1000 certs. Does NC really need 4 mid range carbines?

Larolyn · Oct 4, 2013

lilleAllan said: ↑

“People are scared of NC (infantry) weapons - at mid range. Gauss SAW, Gauss Rifle, Razor - these things are great for mid-long.

To me, the problem with NC is our lackluster CQC options. Where NC/VS have 2 CQC carbines / LMGs, NC has 1 - at 1000 certs. Does NC really need 4 mid range carbines?”

CQC - Cyclone is beast if you can aim. Can be used by all classes. GD7F, greatest toy for Engi / LA CQC. LMG - EM1, adv laser sight, high rpm. Fantastic CQC LMG. Jackhammer, Heavy Gun, beast CQC weapon. Claw, amazing cqc shotgun.

We have options. I just want the ACX-11 to be better.

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