TGB

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  1. Millianna Augur

    *** Miscellaneous ***

    - The slash command /targetgroupbuff and its alias /tgb have been removed and its behavior is now implicitly enabled.

    How is this going to work? Please reconsider this change. Healers in specific often target another PC while wanting to cast a group spell on their own group.
  2. Horyuken Augur

    Target Buff Group?

    I can only see this being used for Hots, but using TAB or any other key to switch between yourself and your current target should be a good work around.

    I'm guess this change is related to the underlying goal of removing raid lag. If this change helps remove the lag we get during complex raids the hotkeys mentioned above will be seamless and the performance gain will be far worth that trade-off.
  3. Febb Augur

    Ya, not really a big deal for a healer to switch targets real quick.
  4. Dzarn Developer

    Which spell name did you test that is not working as you would expect it to?
  5. Febb Augur

    I don't think Millianna is saying that it's bugged. Millianna is saying healers would /tgb off and then keep healing the tank and never switch targets and cast a group spell to heal/buff the group the healer is in real quick without changing their target outside of the group.
  6. Millianna Augur

    Correct- sorry for confusion. And yes it’s used a lot when MT healing. I need to be able to keep tank targeted while being able to cast group spells on group I want to. I have a set of hot keys for both situations (my group and target group)
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  7. Aurmoon Augur

    I agree with Febb’s interpretation of Millianna’s comment. My personal concern: Please don’t make the spell fail if a Heal-over-Time spell is cast with an NPC targeted. If a shaman is meleeing / DOTing an NPC and wants to cast group heals, would be nice not to have to switch targets back and forth for each cast.
  8. Goodn Augur

    Cleric group heals cannot be cast outside of group members. If you have another group targeted, the heal still hits only your group.

    Cleric group heal over time spells would be affected by this as they can currently be cast on outside group members (and mgbed). Obviously buffs would also follow this behavior.

    I am all for the change in making /tgb on the starting state for toons. Raiders would have to chime in about how often they actually use /tgb off in raids.

    Is there a particular reason to remove the off functionality?
  9. Goodn Augur


    Behavior should not change. Currently, hots default to group if npcs are targeted.
  10. Millianna Augur

    There are more spells then just HoT. Not all guilds have extra healers devoted to 1 task.
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  11. Dzarn Developer

    My aim is to identify what specific spells players would want to be cast on their own group while targeting a player outside of their group in a situation where changing targets is disruptive.

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  12. Karhar Augur

    I never /tgb off in general, i just tab to myself cast the hot then tab back
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  13. josh Augur


    Group heal over time spells like the level 110 cleric spell elixir of wulthan is what is being discussed. You could theoretically turn TGB off and cast it and it would land on your group instead of the person you are healing in your raid who is not in your group. making it so it can't be TGB'd is not a good solution, because there are cases where you would want to turn TGB on and buff a group with it.

    I don't know how big of a deal this is, as i am not a healer, but I'm just clarifying what is being discussed. this could also theoretically apply to things like roar of the lion. turn tgb off and you can keep the main tank targeted for heals, while making sure roar of the lion lands on your group instead of the tank group. and again, it would suck if there was no way to cast it on another group.
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  14. Horyuken Augur


    Karhar and I are on the same page, it's quicker than using a /tgb hot key and isn't really intrusive at all.

    If you make the HOTs group only people are going to get bent out of shape they can no long cast HOTs on other groups.

    Edit
    Lion is broken and currently hits both your group and the group you cast it on. I'm sure people would love it if all the group spells would hit your group plus the group your targeting. (AA for next expansion?)
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  15. Karhar Augur

    I dont want to remember to turn on /tgb after turning it off.
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  16. Millianna Augur

    My hot keys always work (no accidents). All group HoTs, Regen, and Talisman from 101 through 110 ( because of focus AAs) for shaman. I’m ok with roar not being on this list.
  17. Fanra Augur

    I haven't seen Daybreak say why they are making this change.

    Unless there is a reason, like reducing lag, I see no reason to do so.
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  18. Brohg Augur

    It's being changed because it's an invisible way for uninformed players to themselves.
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  19. Belkar_OotS Augur

    Actually having all group buffs do your group plus a targeted group would be a nice quality of life improvement. It may help remove some of those odd behaviors I never did understand like how standard shaman hots can't be mgb etc.
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  20. Saroc_Luclin Augur


    Feels like it's a way to remove extra complexity that isn't being used; code no longer needs to check that flag, and people no longer need to remember to turn it on, or wonder if it is on/off when things aren't working as intended.

    As a cleric myself, I turned it on and leave it on; if I want to hit me/my group, I switch targets and cast, even when I'm MT healing, so I won't miss the functionality myself.
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