Test Update 8/01/2014 - Pet Changes

Just a tad...hahaha

Logging in to parse my chanter pet =p

Went back with box so two cleric mercs and bard AC and heal Crit songs was able to kill a named Guard Donlan there were a few close calls.

/G Tanking summary for: Siddar --- Total damage: 2585917 --- Avg hit: 10865 --- Swings: 314 --- Defended: 64 (20.4%) --- Hit: 238 (75.8%) --- Missed: 12 (3.8%) --- Accuracy: 95.2% --- Dodged: 8 (2.9%) --- Parried: 12 (4%) --- Blocked: 16 (5.1%) --- Riposted: 14 (4.9%) --- Absorbed: 14 (4.5%)

DI 1 slash hits showing as 17.11% not 35 to 40% stated as the goal.

Atm without parsing and simply at a glance (didn't load up parsers yets) air pet is tanking about as well as earth pet on a named (above stun cap, so this isn't accounting stun). It's tanking about where i'd expect it, it's the earth pet that seems a tad low.

Will get some actual numbers on it later.

the necromancer pet seems a little too nerfed. just my input. thanks

Warrior mercs vs EM 20 necro warrior pet just some early parses

Sethilla - vs - A traitorous guard (war merc)
Attempts 170 100%
Missed 13 7.65%
Dodged 8 4.71%
Parried 3 1.76%
Blocked 0 0%
Riposted 8 4.71%
Absorbed 0 0%
2396 22 12.94%
2662 52 30.59%
2907 2 1.18%
3229 3 1.76%
3416 1 0.59%
3795 3 1.76%
3925 1 0.59%
4361 2 1.18%
4436 1 0.59%
4928 4 2.35%
4945 1 0.59%
5454 2 1.18%
5494 2 1.18%
5963 1 0.59%
6060 4 2.35%
6473 2 1.18%
6625 3 1.76%
6983 2 1.18%
7192 3 1.76%
7758 3 1.76%
8324 4 2.35%
8891 3 1.76%
9021 1 0.59%
9457 3 1.76%
9531 1 0.59%
10023 4 2.35%
10040 1 0.59%
10549 1 0.59%
10589 1 0.59%
11155 1 0.59%
11217 1 0.59%
11569 1 0.59%
11721 1 0.59%
12854 1 0.59%

Tanking summary for: Sethilla --- Total damage: 1209649 --- Avg hit: 4496 --- Swings: 341 --- Defended: 43 (12.6%) --- Hit: 269 (78.9%) --- Missed: 29 (8.5%) --- Accuracy: 90.3% --- Dodged: 14 (4.5%) --- Parried: 16 (4.7%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 13 (4%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
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Siddar - vs - A traitorous guard Necro warrior pet
Attempts 427 100%
Missed 28 6.56%
Dodged 15 3.51%
Parried 9 2.11%
Blocked 24 5.62%
Riposted 10 2.34%
Absorbed 10 2.34%
2429 13 3.04%
2698 74 17.33%
2971 5 1.17%
3301 12 2.81%
3903 16 3.75%
4056 1 0.23%
4506 10 2.34%
4598 1 0.23%
5108 9 2.11%
5682 4 0.94%
5710 8 1.87%
6224 3 0.7%
6313 15 3.51%
6767 4 0.94%
6915 16 3.75%
7308 2 0.47%
7518 9 2.11%
7850 1 0.23%
8120 22 5.15%
8393 4 0.94%
8722 14 3.28%
8935 3 0.7%
9325 10 2.34%
9477 1 0.23%
9927 7 1.64%
10019 1 0.23%
10530 7 1.64%
10561 1 0.23%
11104 2 0.47%
11132 6 1.41%
11148 1 0.23%
11646 2 0.47%
11734 7 1.64%
12188 2 0.47%
12337 10 2.34%
12730 3 0.7%
12939 4 0.94%
13542 5 1.17%
14144 16 3.75%

Tanking summary for: Siddar --- Total damage: 2261225 --- Avg hit: 6460 --- Swings: 457 --- Defended: 77 (16.8%) --- Hit: 350 (76.6%) --- Missed: 30 (6.6%) --- Accuracy: 92.1% --- Dodged: 17 (4.2%) --- Parried: 10 (2.3%) --- Blocked: 29 (6.3%) --- Riposted: 11 (2.6%) --- Absorbed: 10 (2.2%)

copied over to test lvl 100 mage, all rk3 pet spells and raid geared em20. Pulled white con in ewk with cleric merc on balanced using earth pet. Pet did ok health wise but has very poor dps. would have been there for 10+ minutes if I didn't nuke the mob down.

Same test with air pet white con mob cleric on balanced. Pet dps slightly better but not what I'm using to seeing on live. Weaker dps imo from what I'm used to. Pet almost died had to set cleric to reactive and nuke hard to end fight as fast as possible.

Needs some serious retuning.

I don't think pet DPS is what you should be asking for. It's such a small part of our overall DPS that it's immaterial

Why hasn't anyone called the of nerf crusader on skewing his parses? He is purposefully leaving defensive active cooldowns, discs, and stances out of testing because he know they offer tanks greater reduction and can be staggered to be up more often than pet defensives.

When I am grouping I am using cooldowns, so are tanks. None of your parses are realistic

All parses are welcome here. If you don't like a parse post one of your own. Please post as much information as you can over the weekend so we can review it next week. So far the hit distribution numbers don't look like they're where we intended, but I'd like more and longer parses if possible. Comparison numbers from before the July update are also welcome.

I'm saying parse a lot because we need parses. Parse parse parse. Feels are important but data is better. I'm also interested to see if other class pets are faring better or worse now, so please post your findings for Shiny Bob, Dogdog, and friends.

From the parsemaster and pet nerf crusader himself, admitting his tests are in an artificial environment (where tanks stand there doing nothing using no cooldowns, discs or stances).... and with realistic intelligent cooldown useage, pets are over-nerfed to perform worse than tanks in every way, save for encounters where a tank could be mezzed:

"I can tell you now that since pets are now receiving DI 17-20 consistently that a knight or a warrior using their abilities and cooldowns will be tanking undeniably better than an EM15 pet. For passive mitigation with no other used spells or abilities (not that it ever happens), the EM15 pets will be tanking better than raid knights "

I had to badger it out of him

Passive mitigation is meaningless with the length of time tanks can stagger their cooldowns, no one sits and holds their cooldowns when questing or grouping in everquest. In addition Daegun's reluctance to mention this and purposefully cherry picking passive mitigation despite how unrealistic it is and then saying pets still outperform raid tanks, means he is biased and his data is suspect

Post parses. If you don't think someone else's parses are good, parse and post your own. I don't know if I can be any more clear than that.

This isn't about who posts what, it's about how we got the numbers wrong before and we want to get them right now. The more data -- real data -- you can provide, the better we can do. If other people give us bad data, give us better data.

No offense, but you guys(developers) can't parse this?? Kinda frustrates me that all this is based on a players parses and data. Before you continue to nerf pets, I really, for the sake of the game, hope you realize how many people rely on pets to do things in EQ. It's a very big deal. A friend I just begged to start playing EQ again, said "This crap is why I quit in the first place" and uninstalled the game. Perfect timing....

If it's like this, I shudder to think how it's going to be with my wife's group geared mage and an EM12 pet.

Great. Just..Great.

Necromancer 97 level spell Warrior Pet EM 20 full pet AA bard AC somes and cleric merc buff.
NPC DPS 8259

Tanking summary for: Siddar --- Total damage: 5095536 --- Avg hit: 5686 --- Swings: 1224 --- Defended: 231 (18.9%) --- Hit: 896 (73.2%) --- Missed: 97 (7.9%) --- Accuracy: 90.2% --- Dodged: 37 (3.5%) --- Parried: 42 (3.7%) --- Blocked: 85 (6.9%) --- Riposted: 39 (3.6%) --- Absorbed: 28 (2.3%)
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100 Warrior Mercenary 69 mercenary AA bard AC songs
NPC DPS 6058

Tanking summary for: Sethilla --- Total damage: 5001269 --- Avg hit: 4136 --- Swings: 1673 --- Defended: 271 (16.2%) --- Hit: 1209 (72.3%) --- Missed: 193 (11.5%) --- Accuracy: 86.2% --- Dodged: 87 (5.8%) --- Parried: 104 (6.2%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 80 (5.1%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
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100 Bard max AA mix of CotF and RoF raid and VoA raid gear shield equipped Bard AC songs
NPC DPS 6757

Tanking summary for: Linamy --- Total damage: 4094510 --- Avg hit: 6723 --- Swings: 1158 --- Defended: 361 (31.2%) --- Hit: 609 (52.6%) --- Missed: 188 (16.2%) --- Accuracy: 76.4% --- Dodged: 112 (12.3%) --- Parried: 121 (10.8%) --- Blocked: 33 (2.8%) --- Riposted: 95 (9.5%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
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100 Necromancer max AA T1 CotF raid gear mostly with a few T4 RoF pieces Bard AC songs
NPC DPS 9033

Tanking summary for: Soulhate --- Total damage: 5546554 --- Avg hit: 7278 --- Swings: 1172 --- Defended: 225 (19.2%) --- Hit: 762 (65%) --- Missed: 185 (15.8%) --- Accuracy: 80.5% --- Dodged: 162 (14.6%) --- Parried: 0 (0%) --- Blocked: 63 (5.4%) --- Riposted: 0 (0%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
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DI 1-2 hits for pet jumped up to 27-28% range on the second parse

Necro Warrior Pet, EM 19 vs. single Dark Blue con and White cons spiders in Argin-Hiz

/GU Tanking summary for: Shennron --- Total damage: 566929 --- Avg hit: 8216 --- Swings: 107 --- Defended: 27 (25.2%) --- Hit: 69 (64.5%) --- Missed: 11 (10.3%) --- Accuracy: 86.3% --- Dodged: 6 (6.3%) --- Parried: 6 (5.8%) --- Blocked: 3 (2.8%) --- Riposted: 2 (2%) --- Absorbed: 10 (9.3%)

Pet died to a Dark Blue con spider once and the White con spiders 3-4 times. 2 Dark Blues on the pet is death. I pulled a total of 12 spiders and killed them 1 at a time.

I haven't even tried Yellow cons yet.


Necro Warrior Pet, EM 19 with Fortify Companion vs. Shoon

/GU Tanking summary for: Shennron --- Total damage: 1049280 --- Avg hit: 10492 --- Swings: 158 --- Defended: 46 (29.1%) --- Hit: 100 (63.3%) --- Missed: 12 (7.6%) --- Accuracy: 89.3% --- Dodged: 3 (2.2%) --- Parried: 2 (1.4%) --- Blocked: 13 (8.2%) --- Riposted: 8 (5.6%) --- Absorbed: 20 (12.7%)

Pet died at 15%.

All those parses one post above were on A traitorous guard. I forgot to list that.

The Shoon parse is amusing on a raid focused pet running every defensive available to pet classes.

?? Looks like he just said he ran Fortify Companion. For a necro I guess that's it when it comes to mitigation (non-rune?) but mages can also use Frenzied Burnout

Hi
Level 100 mage parse against Roon in EWK:
Earth pet using its earth elelemtal root proc, EM14 focus, burnout XI rank 2, Iceflame emimince rank 2, Arcane distillect rank 2 , certitude rank 2,for buffs, lvl 100 merc healing on reactive. I have no idea how to start GP without a nuke against a mob, aside from that no active participation from myself (no nukes, heals AA clicks or Aegis used) Gated at 99% or similar



For this part I cannot see the parse for hits against my pet in GP only hits by Roon against the merc healer and myself.

After resetting I used Frenzied burn out Aegis of Keldruikin AA(sp) the spell version of the Aegis of Niefori, Replenish companion fortitude, Virulent talon Rumbling servant pets Veeshans swarm Vicious rabbit, robe clicks, highest mage heal, companions blessing host of elements servant of ro and merc healing on reactive. I did not nuke much as I was healing and clicking both Aegis's.
With all the pets and few nukes Roon did drop to about 60 % ish and merc was oom followed swiftly by pet death and mage being summoned and killed

Regards

Calamar