Meh... i had to look up the word "disparaged" - and i have to say i did no such thing, least of all for the whole system and certainly not by intention. sry if you got that impression, but i cannot relate HOW. Once more: On release, i have looked at what we get (and when). Yes, i have Artisan's prize and yes, i can make my own TS stuff and yes i keep TS mats i gather, so i have an overview on what's how rare (certainly, somewhat based on where and how i spend my time in RoS, but still - i know what i have and i know what i can do with it). I have - at release - categorized slots/items into "must have" and "nice to have". I have - at release - also looked at prices from the raid vendor, and correlated with how much currency we get etc... That information, along with the spreadsheet/before/after comparisons i mentioned, have left me with n diamonds to get, for certain slots. For the other slots i simply go directly from EoK raid to RoS raid. And it happens that MY "n diamonds" seem to me (much) lower than the next guy's, so when i see someone "in need" more than me, i pass, since i can live well without the half-upgrade - instead i probably get my full-upgrade sooner, it's a give+take and perhaps comparable to political economy vs. business administration - what's good for one isn't necessarily also good for the other and which takes precedence in your decisions depends on you alone. We have 21 slots, most of which can be "upgraded" the TS-route to 0.5 (or 0.75 as was said above). If, for ease of math, we just assume that every of the 50 raiders (again, ease of math) would want his upgrades through TS first (as it seems to be the consensus here that everyone should do that, which i contest) for 10 of his slots only, that'd mean 50raiders times 10slots times 2diamonds per slot for a total of 1000diamonds. With 6diamonds dropping per event, that's an awful lot of clears, even if you clear everything (which, as mentioned, we do not yet so that only draws it out more into the fall). So, on the 167th event, the first diamond would go an ALT (or app since full members always take precedence). 167 events... each dropping "real" loot and giving currency too... hmmm... Doesn't make YOU think? Well, it sure did make ME think, and plan my upgrade strat accordingly. And that's why i said what i said above. So yes, i have also set myself a DKP limit on the diamonds, depending on the slot and it's "must" or "nice to have" category. And even though technically i could outbid people for an "upgrade" for the few weeks i need to get the "real" upgrade, i (that's me alone, no need for anyone to come to the same consclusions) deem it to be "not worth it". Because in MY little world, i prefer the TS to go to an app that joins us in group gear (while we come in full EoK raid) or even an ALT that helps us when we are short on classes. Or, of course, on some other main that thinks he needs it more than i do. The goal - well MY goal - is to "up" the raidforce as a whole, not to have a few persons max equipped that drag the others along but if they aren't there, the rest is "lost". So yes, i regard a higher AVERAGE in gear among the force as much more valuable than my own "top spot" on Magelo, if i'd have one. If that is "thinking of myself first" as you claim, then i were guilty as charged. i just don't think it is, so i plead innocent, your honor.