You're saying that I'll get the additional HaoT ticks and it isn't based at all on me spamming the spell on repeat? How would you go about testing this? I see know easily verifiable way. The only messaging in logs is on the cast. Not arguing that you are wrong, just asking for proof, as I often provide in my assertions.
So, I don't think EQ works like that and when I looked into it a few years ago I found results contrary to that and what Beimeth told me at the time. https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...w-to-time-ticks-how-do-they-even-work.259409/
I'm too lazy to independently verify this at the moment Appears to be true that each mob has its own timer, but it still validates Szilent's point that spam casting Hate over Time spells will not have a detrimental effect on the amount of hate generated. The timer will be static regardless of the number of times you cast the Hate over Time spell.
Based on how confusing ticks are my recommendation to anyone trying to decide whether to spam hots/dots/haots is to test it out by spamming it and seeing if it ticks. IIRC each mob has its own timer like you say, so if you spammed it as fast as possible you'd get reliable ticks every 6 seconds even if you refreshed it. This validates Szilent's point, like you said. I'm presuming we're talking about this line. [62327/10905] Parlay for Honor Rk. III Classes: PAL/117 Skill: Alteration Mana: 284 Target: Single Range: 200' Resist: Magic -50 Stacking: Challenge for Honor/Power 30 Focusable: Yes Casting: 0.5s, Recast: 3.5s, Rest: 1.5s Duration: 30s+ (5 ticks), Dispelable: Yes Recourse: Parlay for Honor Recourse III 1: Increase Hate by 27009 per tick 2: Increase Hate by 18484 Text: You demand honor! Book: Utility Detrimental/Jolt Confronts your target for an honorable purpose, instantly increasing their hatred for you by 18484 points then by 27009 points every 6 seconds for 30 seconds. Triggers Parlay for Honor Recourse III which reduces incoming melee damage by 10% for 30 seconds or until 31592 damage has been absorbed. [62330/10906] Parlay for Honor Recourse III Target: Single Range: 300' Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes Focusable: Yes Casting: 0s Duration: 30s+ (5 ticks) Song, Dispelable: Yes 5: Absorb Melee Damage: 10% over 1, Total: 31592 Absorbs 10% of incoming melee damage, up to a maximum of 31592.
How do you validate "ticks"? That's the question. The debuff refreshes its duration on the mob. There is nothing in the log file related to hate for hate over time, just the initial cast hate.
Going off on a weird Hate over time tanget guys. Now we know they (Darkpaw) has the capability of adding dots or abilities to other spells. Now to save space on the spell bar Id love it if insta-cast Parlay was more of an AA that came with Audacity, undead slow, snare and a flipping DoT! Not to mention Vanquish needs a drastic improvement in damage. I mean with a bard, druid and chanter we see what a touch over 1mil damage. Make that puppy hit for base damage of 3x your current mana pool, before crit etc. add a 30 sec dot added with it. I mean I want to cripple and destroy undead, not piss-em off like a gnat.
Good point, I've never looked at hoats before. I'd expect them to work like dots, which can be validated.
Casting on multiple mobs and watching the aggro percent meters in ETW. The basic idea is: Pull 4 trivial mobs. Let healer merc heal you and gain some aggro on all mobs. Fade (Balefire). Now 4 mobs are beating on your healer merc and you have zero hate. Merc stance to Passive (no more hate) after a minute of self healing or so. Ignore mob 1. Cast Audacity on mob 2. Cast Honor on mob 3. Cast Honor and Audacity on mob 4. (Optionally Fade here to remove initial hate from the base percentages) Watch aggro percentages climb per tick. Notice that percentages tick differently for each mob. Notice that mob 3 and 4 are not ticking equally.
Also make sure it attempts to slow after their magic resist is lowered, or make the whole thing unresistable. Not being able to consistently land the slow recourse without tashing a mob first is annoying, but a fact of life.
One concern I have with Audacity even if we get it instant cast is its one of the lowest initial threat abilities we have. The tick helps make up for it but would leave the class lighter in initial hate generation when swapped out for something else. Not likely to happen but maybe instant cast version that's an AA to fit into mash keys?
That's why I suggested a new spell line that casts both, think like shaman combo dots, casting multiple spells with 1 gem. That would probably be the easiest thing to code given it is used for multiple classes, rather than reworking and combining hate and hate over time for two abilities.... Just have a new combo spell that casts "highest rank of honor and audacity line..."
OK, so you're saying it would cast both spells. Audacity first so the debuff lands then Parlay so it improves its chance to land, correct?
That would be one potential, easy solution that has merit in game already as a combo cast. AA abilities cast highest levels of spells for many classes too. Ro for druids. Tash/Slow for enchanters. Slow/AE slow for shaman. What I'm saying is that there are many different approaches to making honor and audacity better utilized tools. A single spell, all of the hate from both (initial hate and HaOT added together, plus a magic resist debuff, undead slow/cripple, melee mitigation recourse... A new spell line, that casts the highest ranks of both honor and audacity. An AA. If AA ideally one that casts both, but wouldn't sneeze at two separate AAs. The point is, there are a lot of things that would be minor tweaks to improve on the class. Honor and audacity are getting a lot of attention in this thread and there are other items that should get some attention too.
