NC scattercannon users:please dont act like magrider drivers

What a senseless wast of human life.

Seems more like those TR had trouble finding a strategy other then throwing as many meat at it in the hope it will work.

Let's balance purely around Zerg tactics then? Obviously those 10 infantry should have easily killed that heavily armoured suit with Anti infantry weapons....

you are saying if i am in an anti vehicle pounder MAX and i see a NC MAX, i should switch out of that MAX which is designed to kill other MAXes, and switch to a heavy assault hoping that you are reloading.

TR and VS MAXes can be killed by ONE infantry with rifle.....

F.

I think you have what it takes to be part of the next "Valiant 10". Keep up the good work soldier.

F is a fantastic way to get your MAX ripped to pieces from all angles. I understand you're VS and probably don't use yours much due to popular belief being that they fire peanuts, but I'm an NC and I live in mine all day so I know.

im just going to avoid every single building in the game and dont capture any points ever. now i am ready to win.

False equivalence and inconsistency abounds. You can't use the magrider situation as a template to the MAX as if they were equal in their supposedly overpowered traits. You also can't use inconsistency in claiming that the short range of the shotgun is the magrider in reverse. I think critical thinking should become a bit more mandatory in schools.

of course i can. this is so clear and obvious. even a lot of NC comments are cut and paste from vanu magrider comments.

do you want the scatterMAX to be a more rounded class and be able to use it more in diverse situations, or do you want to keep hugging biolab walls forever?

especially considering the xp nerf?

That was about MAX vs MAX. Not MAX vs 20 infantry + 1 MAX.

Applying Magrider logic to the MAXes is an asinine idea.

How about people just freaking learn to stay away from shotguns?

Herp derp, shotguns good at close range.

Hur hur hur hur.

Right, well I've never been in a situation where its been just my MAX vs another MAX.

I agree though if it was a straight up One Versus One I would definitely **** on any other MAX in the game with my heavily specialised and certed Hacksaw MAX.

However that does not mean it is overpowered overall as this is a game of far larger numbers.

Edit: I should point out, I mean in a biolab situation, in open ground my MAX wouldn't stand a chance.

I seen that "statistic" from Higby and it´s useless. It doesnt tell you how many of each tank were spawned, it doesn´t tell you how many of that .8 and 0.6 k/d ratio is actually against magriders and not just vanguard vs prowlers. Let´s put it like this, if there were 2 times more magriders spawned as vanguards and prowlers and vang and prowlers killed 66% each other and only 33% magriders the 1.7 of the magriders compared to 0.8 for the vanguard in reality = magriders killing 5 times more vanguards then vanguards killing magriders in absolute values. The same can be calculated in favor of which tank you prefere. The way it was released as a 1.7 0.8 0.6 was an joke.

Just once more: Flashbang, Concussion Grenade, C4, Normal Grenades, Sticky grenades, rocket launchers and even shotguns work surprisingly well. There is almost always 2 or more ways to come at the max. You could also try to outnumber that huge armored soldier that has a timer and resource cost with infantry that costs nothing unless they use the tools i mentioned in which case they are a match for a max suit.

this kind of comment may make you feel good right now, but it is a classic OP item defence comment. it will only make the nerf more severe if the devs read it.

dont fight the nerf, guide the nerf.

That isn't how presenting an argument works, trying to equivocate a reasoning a magrider makes and a MAX makes without examining the support behind each statement is intellectually dishonest.

If a magrider user claims they're only good at long range and is such being intellectually dishonest and a MAX claims they only excel at short range you cannot then assign dishonesty to the MAX simply for stating limitations.

I have a soccer ball, it is round and great for playing soccer. I have a basketball, it is also round and thus great for playing soccer. That's your method in a nutshell.

i assure you as a scattermax user, when i am facing the door i just have to hold down the mouse button and alternate reloads.

im certainly not going to run outside to eat your explosive, ill stay right in my comfy 5x5 room next to viital capture point.

does it work? yes. is it fun? no. does it even give good xp? no.

have fun getting 25xp in biolab while other ai MAXes are kicking butt anytime, anywhere around the entire map. i dont know why you guys are against making the scatterMAX more useful instead of being a lame door camping machine, that after the patch doesnt even give xp.

I thought it was pretty clear that i was throwing that explosive into your confined space. you are grossly overestimating your abilities.

Yes.

Yes it was.

The devs took a look at the data after the forum posts, saw the discrepancy and made some balance changes.

But hey, can't have those facts getting in the way of our opinions now, can we.

I thought that the VS were 'more skilled and had all the intelligent players anyway. That was the main defence before the balance changes.. that since the VS were about 'technology' that intelligent and mature people went to the technology side. So they were doing better because that's where the smart players went.

No it isn't. Denying facts because they don't fit your opinions is ridiculous. If the source numbers were smaller you would have a point, but once your source sample gets into the multiple thousands you can see definite patterns emerging. The source was 10,000 strong., That is a very sizable number, and when the averages are those in a source of ten thousand you have some fairly relevent data. IN a few weeks after the bugs are fixed (especially framerate issues) they can hopefully pull up another 10,000 strong source and do some more tweaks.

Cause ppl can´t trow grenades any type of grenades in a 5x5 room at all. Guess what a AV grenade does to a max. You again avoid the obvious. Once ppl know where you are they have a lot of options. As a scat max you don´t have the option of going out in the field and stand a chance, you need to stay in that 5x5 room.

You clearly didn´t read what i said. No matter how big the source numbers are, you still don´t have the basic information on how to read it. How many magriders were spawned compared to vanguards and prowlers? How many vanguards were killed by prowlers and how many prowlers by vanguards? That is not to take into account how many of the prowlers had HE cannons. The fact is, not having that information makes the numbers unusable. I am not denying anything, i agreed that magriders were op. Just how op? Till they don´t learn to give some usefull numbers we will never know.

That's the root of the problem.

NC AI MAXes are too different from TR/VS MAXes.

I understand that people want their **** to be unique, but it's causing too many problems due to how the game is designed.
That's why I'm pro-TR/VS ScatterMAX and NC MG-MAX.

Give everyone options, and everybody will be happy.

And to be honest, MAX weapon variety is absolutely terrible across all factions. Adding variety will make AI MAX more fun, because you're not just using that one weapon all the time.

You basically have one AI weapon, because one weapon is just straight up better than the other weapons(Hacksaw, Mercy, Cosmos).
At least if TR/VS get shotguns, and NC get a machinegun, and the upcoming flamethrowers, we'll have some real variety in AI MAX weaponry.

i assure you, i can instantly twitch kill you the moment you pop your head in to try anything.

that is sooooooooo fun. i totally dont want to be able to use my MAX outdoors and fight with my teammates, and contribute more to the fight. i cert 2k+ certs to be able to get 25 xp in a small grey room, its so worth it.