Air is the only thing that doesn't fear its counter.

Just off topic members only get +50% resources. They can get another +50% from heroic boosters for a total of +100%. IMO this is the single most pay-to-win feature of the game.

AI kills Infantry

AV kills Vehicles

AA Kills Aircraft


Its a very straightforward thing.

Not against what is DESIGNED to counter them.

Speaking in terms of Nanite costs: Vanguards can easily one-shot Scythes. Don't see one-shot options against MBTs. The closest analogous weapons are 2 C4 or 2 Tank mines. There should be high TTK.

What is a counter supposed to do? Kill what its supposed to counter.


Why shouldn't AA follow that rule?

So your position is that AA NEVER kills ESFs or Libs or Gals? (When in fact my own kill board has dozens of Swarm and Burster kills).

Additionally, MBTs and Lightnings dodge and run from Decimators/ES Launchers, AV Turrets, and AV Maxes all of the time.

Are you delusional?

Ground doesn't have the luxury of being able to go 5 hex's in a minute if they get in trouble.

Have you ever flown or do you play on Hossin 24/7?

Swarm missiles track you across 5 hexes unless you reverse maneuver immediately on lock on (which means Annihilator or Flak can take you) or use terrain effectively.

Dual Burster with good aim can take down hovering ESFs within seconds. I don't have experience with Skyguard but I have seen good Skyguards hit me from 2 hexes away.

You make these nebulous, hyperbolic claims like a total Air/AA virgin.

The fact that you don't talk about specific weapons and tactics shows the weakness of your claims.

Me when I use a Harasser, Lightning, or MBT. Unless Latency screws me over and EOD HUD bugs up. Half the time I see the mines at the last second and bail and redeploy.. so that might count.

As I said in my above post.. I can't do half the sh-t in a ESF to a 48-96 fight or larger as I can in a ground vehicle.





Even got a Shrike kill as a TR. Hell yeah (Viper shot threw off aim and HA killed themselves.. gave me credit).

Couldn't do the same in a aircraft in that particular fight. Got a couple more, especially more recently but thats the one I decided to save. Recently suppressed a spawn room on a Techplant. Why are people SO stupid not to use the tunnels? Talking BR 100+s here too.

Its not just vehicles. Play an Engineer with maxed out Grenade Bandoleer or Utility Pouch. Each time I die its 350-425 nanites spent depending on the situation. Playing an engie worth their salt means you're required to be a member. I run a heroic boost on top of being a member to keep up.

Pretty much everything you say is hyperbole.

Even the Skyguard, if we assume EVERY flak burst hits, has a 5.5 second TTK against an ESF. So no, liar, a Burster Max does not kill an ESF "within seconds". Unless you mean 10+ seconds, which then doesn't sound so impressive for a "counter" to air does it?

Swarm missiles track you across 5 hexes? HYPERBOLE! Swarm missiles are not a threat to air. And any good pilot knows how to avoid them anyway. TOO easily.

Translation: I know **** all about AA, but I'm going to run my mouth anyway like I know anything.

HYPERBOLE

According to your Planetside 2 Player profile you have had zero kills (yes, BIG FAT 0) with Burster Arm and 8 kills with Swarm. You are BR 78 on Emerald.

I have 28 Swarm kills and 36 Burster kills (at 15% accuracy). I am BR 103 on Connery.

You told me you played on Connery, mind telling me your char's name?

Who is a liar and who has less experience? LOL

Edit: AA kills might not be fully accounted for as most people eject from their Aircraft.

So now you resort to a personal attack when challenged? By the way, you have ZERO proof that's even my character. Yes it is, but you just flat out assumed.

Also that's an ALT I made JUST to use TR Carbines and barely anything else. So sorry I didn't sit in a freaking Max suit all day?

Why don't you address my points instead of playing the whole "OH crap ummm better attack his stats" crap?

You called me a liar. Then said you know your AA ****. Tell me then. What is your character's name if it's not Reclaimer77? ROFL.

It says here Reclaimer77 unlocked gear on March 19. Lol.

Wtf are you even talking about? YOU said you didn't use the Skyguard. YOU did. What does my AA experience have to do with anything?

Please look up what "hyperbole" means. Now also look up HYPOCRITE.

Another lie. Please find where I said that. Where?

Oh I did use Skyguard! This adds to my authority on the subject!

Oh, so you don't know anything about AA?

You got schooled bro,

This community sucks sometimes. So much agenda clogs out good thinking. I post the real reason AA 'sucks', everyone ignores it and personally attacks one another.

I don't know why you people can't be honest. Seriously. Just say you hate fighting in multiple dimensions. There's nothing wrong with that. You might even get listened to for base designs around more 2 dimensional planes. Did you ever think about that?

When you tiptoe around the issue, hide your agenda, and aren't honest about what you want.. we get sh-tty balance decisions. The devs aren't mind readers. They don't have the time to read between the lines. And this is why we have a continent like Hossin.

1. I want some protection against air.
2. I want some protection against ground.

Congrats, you got a tree infested swamp.

1. I want more interesting bases.
2. I want something more than the same go for the control point.

Congrats you got bases that look like Kelethin from Everquest and bases with generators needed to get to the next level.

You all got what you asked for. But because you were not 100% honest and filtered it through your agenda-sparked delusion, you got something you actually didn't want.

Keep asking for counters and you got the Swarm.. a special piece of equipment. Not bad I guess, but doesn't serve much of a purpose. I'll wager the next counter is a Coyote like missile secondary for Harassers and MBTs. Yeah.. ever use the Hyena launcher from the back of a Lib? It sucks. It works on a ESF sorta because of how the ESF can get the right angle.

Wtf do you think a ground vehicle is going to be able to do with that? I'll wager its worse than a Ranger. But thats the sort of thing you all will get from a thread like this.

Okay you're 12. That's clear at this point. When you have to resort to argument-twisting "bro" nonsense, you're showing your lack of maturity.

You said this, right?

You do realize that you called me out (liar / hyperbole). So I simply looked at your AA stats/experience on Planetside 2 Players.

Reclaimer77's AA Stats:
Burster: 0 Kills.
NS Swarm: 8 Kills.
(Last unlock March 19).


Cyropaedia's AA Stats:
Burster: 36 Kills
NS Swarm: 28 Kills

So I pulled Skyguard twice in 6 months. How does this hurt my argument? It actually adds to my credibility on my experience and views with regard to AA.

PS2 should have a specialised A2A fighter (that cannot hover or effectively engage Ground) - it will always need that until it eventually gets one.