NS Baron Shotgun: Everyone gets a Jackhammer!

The Baron got changed a bit on PTS. the CoF for Hipfire is now higher compared to existing Semi and Auto Shotguns and the ADS CoF for movement is also now higher. Its not much higher but befor it was a bit lower in comparison.

This wont work, Slugs do exactly 500 Dmg on Semi and Auto Shotguns, reducing the dmg would cause it to be a 3 hit kill in close range.

While all shotguns should have an effective range from 20-40 meters, the burst fire is definitely an infringement.

This was a terrible change.

I disagree. It's only a terrible change if you were looking forward to having the best semi auto shotgun in the game instead of a sidegrade which it should be.

The whole reason why shotguns are called "easy mode" are because they have such a wide, unrealistic cone. A tighter cone would make them useful at medium range as well as make them more skill-based.

CoF doesn't equal spread. It's still not going to have the high spread of other shotguns. The CoF only dictates where that spread will go but it will still be the tightest possible grouping of pellets.

Question for SOE: You going to add a cocking animation for the Baron or what?
The shell loading animation and sound have been implemented, but there is no cocking animation when reloading on empty. Don't be lazy like with the T5 AMC. If you people forgot to put a cocking lever somewhere, just make the character press a bolt catch button, an imaginary button if you have to.

No worries. It'll be nerfed into UBGL-land as soon as the depot sales numbers fall off.

I think you misunderstand the matter a bit. The CoF is the area in wich the projectile will randomly spawn if you fire a weapon. The bigegr the CoF the bigger the area gets, making it less accurate and less predictable where the projectile will spawn. The Spread however indicates how pallets move awaqy from each other over distance, a smaller Spread will cause Pallets to stay together more closely wich extends the effective range. The Baron has the smallest Spread available.

Ah, my mistake. Thank you for the correction.

It's the exact reason why most people ignore the laser sight on shotguns, because it only reduces the hipfire CoF but not the actual spread. CoF only really has an impact on shotguns if you are flying around as a LA since flying causes your CoF to expand to the size of a whale and that can cause your spread to fly off target. Otherwise using buckshot you will generally hit your target regardless of CoF if you are in the correct range determined by your spread. CoF also has an impact on slugs because slugs act like a normal bullet would.

One of the 2 changes should be made to the Baron:-

1) Make it a three shot kill, buff magazine size by 50%
2) Increase spread by 0.5 and make it Heavy only

Knowing SOE that would end up being all slugs which isn't needed, in fact this weapon may not be overpowered with slug, just that it will likely make the JH obsolete.

Any idea of the values?

Just remove tight Jackie's spread from it and give it something else, SOE. God dam it is so simple, wtf??

old -> new
Hip 1/1.25/1.25/1.75/0.5 -> 1/1.5/1.5/2.0/0.5
Aim 0.1/0.2/0.1/0.55/0.5 -> 0.1/0.35/0.1/0.9/0.5

This would make it completely useless. It would be a downgrade of the Mauler, Barrage, Thanatos(?) that is restricted to one class while the faster firing shotguns with the same spread, better CoF and more ammo could be used by all shotgun classes.

You should think your "ideas" through befor you do them.

All existing Shotguns are a 2 shot kill and have a higher RoF. This change would make the gun useless since all others are better.

This would change the spread to the level of a Thanatos/Mauler/Barrage, while all 3 guns would have a higehr RoF and Magsize. This togetehr with the Heavy only would cause the weapon to be not used.


So as i said, think your ideas through befor you ask for changes that wont work.

A Lasher that fire orbs which explode on contact and turn into Velociraptors wielding mini-guns that shoot Jackhammer rounds.

I win.