Maybe they need love but as far as raids go I cant see it. Wizards, Necro's, Swashbucklers, and Assassins are on top of the parse in our raids. It use to always be the Swashbuckler and the Assassin but with the AA's lifeburn and manaburn the Wizards and Necros are toping the parse and its a tossup. Our Aftershock pales in comparison. Keep in mind I'm only talking raids not groups.
You must not be playing your class right ...im parsin zonewide 2000 dps now .. lyceum about 2500 ..so i mean cmon ..and we do have a raid dps per zone of atleast 22k
You dont know me or anything about me or how I play or how long I've been playing or how long I have been raiding or what we raid so it would be wiser on your part to keep your comments about knowing how to play my class to yourself and post your zonewide parses along with the locations and let them speak for themselves. I can and will if you want to compare notes.
Prepare to get pwned by suolbringer's parse kraze1 /ducks head Daenarys 70 Warlock Mob Squad Kithicor
I would be happy to get pwned by his parses, then Il quit posting on this matter and wait for the next nerf of our class and climb back under my rock and sthu. The parses need to have the total elasped time in them, the zones (a mix of KOS and EOF) including both dps and the ext dps. Should look similiar to this example but alot higher. Monday, December 04, 2006 - 8:12:15 PM to 8:45:27 PM Enable Table Sorting Name Start Time Duration Damage Healed DPS Ext DPS Hits Swings Dmg Taken Kraze (Me) 8:12:17 PM 40:16 3186924 8398 1319.09 1237.16 3050 3174 429176 Swashbuckler 8:12:15 PM 40:40 3133468 0 1284.21 1216.41 4748 5014 92720 Wizard 8:12:15 PM 39:18 2762066 3650 1171.36 1072.23 2244 2330 38146 Clockwork Menace 8:18:10 PM 18:20 2171746 129622 1974.32 843.07 800 1012 6516340 Necro 8:12:17 PM 40:06 1890948 106934 785.93 734.06 4812 5058 177112 Ranger 8:12:17 PM 39:38 1759554 10202 739.93 683.06 1786 1944 41656 Mad Tzikla 8:14:16 PM 07:26 1738476 0 3897.93 674.87 1918 1974 5595114 Brigand 8:12:15 PM 39:48 1548150 0 648.30 600.99 2440 2732
One from LOA... DPS group setup was Fury, Troub, Warlock, Wizard, Necro, Necro for this raid. No wipes and zone was cleared roughly in 1 hour 16 minutes LoA Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 8:24:03 PM to 9:40:31 PM Enable Table Sorting Name Start Time Duration Damage Healed DPS Ext DPS Hits Swings Dmg Taken Swashy 8:24:09 PM 01:16:21 3854071 0 841.32 1367.66 5515 5934 48185 Necro 8:24:07 PM 01:16:23 3697142 75760 806.71 1311.97 8278 8523 38163 Brig 8:24:07 PM 01:16:22 3264596 0 712.48 1158.48 4492 4834 48946 Wizard 8:24:07 PM 01:16:21 3172409 2143 692.51 1125.77 4068 4094 16005 Kraze 8:24:09 PM 01:16:19 3168845 4163 692.04 1124.50 2624 2642 19815 Necro 8:24:09 PM 01:16:21 2999870 95425 654.85 1064.54 7348 7514 28834 Ranger 8:24:15 PM 01:16:12 2982134 301 652.26 1058.25 2593 2696 7987
Labs with the same setup. No wipes, zone cleared 1 hour and 4 minutes roughly. Labs Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 8:35:19 PM to 9:39:28 PM Enable Table Sorting Name Start Time Duration Damage Healed DPS Ext DPS Hits Swings Dmg Taken Swashy 8:35:20 PM 01:04:08 2604909 0 676.95 1429.70 4421 4727 64748 Assassin 8:35:22 PM 01:04:06 2315623 1686 602.09 1270.92 2996 3144 78266 Wizard 8:35:22 PM 01:04:06 2031767 2385 528.28 1115.13 1993 2032 52741 Kraze 8:35:25 PM 01:04:03 1884804 3651 490.45 1034.47 1646 1662 29719 Necro 8:35:25 PM 01:04:03 1865652 64338 485.47 1023.96 4821 4920 82917 Necro 8:35:22 PM 01:04:05 1843213 0 479.38 1011.64 2362 2539 50082 Ranger 8:35:23 PM 01:04:05 1827268 483 475.23 1002.89 1730 1808 39193 Message Edited by KrAzE1 on 12-07-2006 07:52 AM
My DPS is about what Kraze is showing. Not sure how you're doing 2500 DPS but I would like to know. I don't claim to be an expert about my class or am I decked out in uber gear. I have mostly Adept 3 and Masters and my gear is all T7 Legendary and a couple of Fabled. I'm only at 45 AA's so I don't have any EOF AA's applied yet. Please show me how you're parsing about double what I am. From what I've experienced, I'm not sure that this 2500 DPS would be something you could maintain. Maybe with God spells and a big group of mobs with no mezz, full set of Fabled gear, INT capped and full 100 AA's. Still don't see this number being sustainable other than for a select group of mob types. Not saying that your lying because I really hope this is true and that you could help me increase my DPS. Lord knows that I would love to be able to put up those numbers in a raid. I'd top the parse everytime if I could maintain that kind of dmg output. Looking forward to seeing your parse and some info on how you're doing it. BTW...with all the warlock love we've gotten in the recent update, has anyone seen the Fabled gear set? It's junk compared to the wizzie set. Let's stick together and demand something at least useful. As it stands now, I'll be happy with the Legendary set. Even with the +28 STR on the sleeves. :smileysad: Sleat BiggSexxy 70 Ogre Warlock ~ Oasis
Freethinkers last nite. Name Start Time Duration Damage Healed DPS Ext DPS Hits Swings Dmg Taken Swashbuckler 10:26:44 PM 25:50 2660754 0 1716.62 1434.37 3784 4031 102144 Necro 10:26:40 PM 25:59 2579334 35787 1654.48 1390.48 5049 5259 54597 Ranger 10:26:44 PM 25:50 2429456 0 1567.39 1309.68 2835 2950 39427 Wizard 10:26:48 PM 26:07 2349615 3003 1499.44 1266.64 1966 2016 37039 Assassin 10:26:43 PM 26:04 2232181 97 1427.23 1203.33 2940 3113 73306 Kraze 10:26:44 PM 26:21 1974151 4556 1248.67 1064.23 2002 2041 44787 Brigand 10:26:41 PM 26:25 1779291 0 1122.58 959.19 3032 3243 35252
Emerald Halls last nite Name Start Time Duration Damage Healed DPS Ext DPS Hits Swings Dmg Taken Assassin 7:33:01 PM 45:25 4695962 527 1723.29 1378.33 6608 7148 191812 Swashbuckler 7:32:58 PM 51:03 4579798 0 1495.20 1344.23 7079 7817 264595 Wizard 7:33:24 PM 45:37 3742566 15534 1367.40 1098.49 3085 3147 175462 Necro 7:33:01 PM 43:01 3708768 76729 1436.95 1088.57 7743 7992 202662 Ranger 7:33:21 PM 45:35 3384359 0 1237.43 993.35 4042 4280 114338 Kraze 7:33:01 PM 42:07 3264355 7227 1291.79 958.13 3589 3659 114567 a few of us died alot on this one which you can see in the durations.
Not saying you are lying, but post the parses if you are doing that much dps, with time stamps and total damage if you don't mind please. Feel free to post in the parse thread.
I'm happy for you ... I don't whine about my dps but i tend to do about 700-1000 dps per fight in Raid instances , sure i can hit 4200 dps on the Heroic mobs in DT from time to time and even managed to deal 8900 dps once in PP:TR but those are exception, really not the norm. So, yes a few parses of your dps and explanation as if your parser starts when you start to nuke or when the fight start (if you start nuking a few seconds later to let the MT build some aggro, it will false your stats)
I will post some soon ..BTW Freethinkers other night 3rd top dps swashy then wizard then me wizard like 40 dps more ....Lyceum tonight Swashy Warlock and me Warlock .. Raids dps was 30k for lyceum lol ...Ill see if my dps thing works tonight i hate the program (BTW parse starts as anyone in raids starts ..and i dont do the dps our assassins andother classes do)
I see very little activity here recently, but wanted to throw a question out reguarding all the posts in this thread. Has it gotten any better with recent updates and the EoF AA lines. I have a very small lok that I was thinking to begin leveling up, hoping to bring my guild some DPS boosts, esp. to AE encounters. But if it is as bad as previous posters make it, perhaps I should do something different. I have opted to stop working on my 61 Monk to address the issue (have a 70 brig already)...but maybe this is a bad idea..lol. I do enjoy the class, but I am not looking to make work for myself here, really trying to help the guild out as we have started to tackle progressively harder content. Any feedback would be appreciated, parse info, AA lines taken, etc. Thanks!
EoF, for lack of a better word, revolutionized the Warlock. Our dps is better, if you chose to go that route and our hate generation is lower, if you chose to go that route. All in all, i think the only true complaint about the Warlock, aside from gear, is having to use Nil Crystals, which are but a minor nuisance. Enjoy the lock, its tons of fun. The people that are still griping about the class either have not leveled their new AAs, or just don't know how to play the class, and i think most of this forum's regs would agree with that.
I just betrayed from wiz to lok and I have to say I'm pretty pleased overall. I loved my wiz, but it just seems like wizzies are a dime a dozen and loks are the engangered species plus I wanted a new challenge in the game -- I've been learning a lot - one thing I wish we had was a "guide" like the wizzies have in their forum. I realize most loks level their class from the get-go, but for us traitors *grin* it would be an interesting read to go through. The nil crystal thing is ...yeah ... bleh ... lol. I couldn't use one of my spells the other night because I had run out and was *blinking* at my screen going wth??? A mistake that won't happen again, I promise LOL Anyway - I'm glad I made the change - I'm enjoying the mildly different play style and loving the bigger numbers on raids *grin* ok ... /end babbling ...
Gromann wrote: Agreed wholeheartedly. Focused Casting does fantastic things for our dps, and with the protections line we can use much more of our potential without pulling aggro. Throw a class in to help the MT hold aggro in a group and you can really start letting loose (still within bounds, unfortunately). EoF finally made me a much more satisfied Warlock! .....could definitely stand to see those nil crystals go away, though.
well i dont know about you guys...but no matter how hard i try or what aa's i use i cant come close to necro's or assasins in our raids. only mobs i can come close is large groups of heroics in deathtoll.... and even then its a 50/50 between me and the necro's i would suggest that the necros in that last parses were seriously slacking to let you beat them, cos the 3 necros's that attend our raids beat me 95% of the time on group or solo mobs. its no coincedence that warlocks are rare, only 2 in our guild. Cant comment on wizzies as we have none. its not an equipment thing either as it all good fabled stuff, with master1's all round its not really and agro thing as our group setup's cater for that (often have a pali and troub in my group) and as long as i throw a concussive in the mix every now and again i am safe. EoF aa's did help to raise the dps count a fair amount, not no more than every other dps classes did, so in the scheme of things nothing changed. And i really cant agree with the whole "cant play your class crowd" i mean its not brain science..... nuke nuke nuke, i have been a warlock for over 2 years now and have found no mystical combination of spells/debuffs that dramatically increase dps levels. If there is one, lets have a guide When you consider what a necro gets (healing, rezzing, FD, power management, pets of all types) they are pretty much superior in every way, doesnt matter whether its solo/group/epic/utilty
[p]I raid often with a pretty good group, that includes assassins, wizzies, necros, conjurors, brigands, rangers, the whole bunch. Not often am i not in at least the top 5 dps-wise on our raids. Since we have a couple of pallies, the leader always makes sure to group me with a pally for amends (cant live without it ). Even on single mob encounters, i am usually only out-dpsed by the assassin, maybe the brigand and a necro (if they lifeburn ), all of us parsing over 1,000 dps. I do support the fact that there is, possibly, those that can play the class, and those that can't. everything takes some amount of skill, there are spells that help with other spells, prioritizing what spell you should focus on casting the most (keep DoTs up or keep lobbing bombs?) and so on.[/p][p] On Nil Crystals: bleh, agreed. I make it a task to fill a bag with hundreds while im grouping normally, and then forget about them for a month. at least make them tradeable, give them a market [/p]
On a particular Labs raid, I was managing to pull 1400 dps on singles and sometimes up to 2k dps on groups of 3 with NO caster buffs whatsoever except ferine vim. I had amends, but that doesn't directly increase your dps (just helps you not die). I think that there is a very, very strong argument for the skill of the player making a huge difference. Step 1: Netherous Realm precast on groups Step 2: GET YOUR SWARM PETS OUT ASAP (not always the netherlord if it's gonna be a short fight) Step 3: Corrupt gift is HUGE for multiple-creature encounters. Its damage increases quadratically with the number of creatures in the encounter. Step 4: Nuke repeatedly, but try to keep your dots up. Use Soul Blister as LITTLE as possible (its dps sucks terribly). Also, don't be afraid to get in melee range to do chaostorm. That is one powerful spell on multis, especially with corrupt gift on. But yeah... nil crystals suck. I hope you get the idea, devs. No one likes them. I will add, though, that curse of emptiness does decent damage whenever you have corrupt gift on and there are 3+ guys in the encounter (~100*9 isn't terrible, and then 100*16 is pretty good, and 100*25 is starting to be really good for a debuff).
