So here I am grouped up over the weekend, and am asked to do a Surveillance pull. Everything went bad and we almost wiped. Then I notice: I don't have surveillance. I have Improved Surveil. That can't be right? After all this time? So I look in my book. It's not there. Needless to say I feel STUPID. So I go to the broker, buy the AD1 version and scribe it, only it's STILL not in my book. I of course /bugged it but haven't heard anything yet. Has anyone else ever had this happen or have any insight as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is going on?
The only problem i can think of, is you bought the app4 of the spell, and scribed it, but their are other CA infront of it in the book. Atleast, thats what i would think, being a 70 ability and all it should be at the front right? (I had m1 leg shot for the longest time at 70 because i didn't want to shell out for m1 snaring shot, and when i finally scribed it, i looked back near the 50s :smileymad: ) Message Edited by Pharly on 12-18-2006 07:23 AM
Dude, that sucks! Improved suveil doesn't quite work like surveillance. Yes, you have to get that fixed fast.
I've sorted by level, I've sorted by type and I've used the default. It's not in my book. I've /bugged it but haven't seen a responce yet.
Hate to break it to ya, but having Improved Surveil over Surveillance had nothing to do with your wipe. They are the EXACT same spell (same spell line) except the higher lvl one reduces hate by more. I've been 70 for months now and only got the lvl 70 one fairly recently; had no bearing on my pulls. I'm guessing someone cast something too soon and the mob socialed some buddies over. Now if the spell itself isn't showing up in your book, then yes that needs to be /bugged.
What exactly is a Surveil pull? Besides the obvious, "You pull with Survil, duh!" comments. I mean what does it do?
With the level 70 Surveilance, you don't (I have HEARD) get social agro. It also makes it easy for the MT to get agro away from you.
Surviellance pulls no social aggro, only the targeted encounter. It has a 35 meter range, just the same as your bow. And since its a deaggro, you will only have 1 point of hate if its used to pull, making it super easy for the tank to get aggro.
Cool, have been wondering what it was. Have a few more levels....well, more than a few to go till then.
True. This is how Improved Surveil is also supposed to work. I don't know if it still is, but it was broken. It did generate social aggro, just not as much as an arrow shot. It sounds like it's still broken though.
ONLY the lvl 70 Surveilance pulls with NO social agro. Anything else will get varying levels of social agro.
As of today its been, fixed, nerf'd, what the Fark ever.. No mention in the notes, not a gawd dam single word. back to go old body pulling FOR THE FARKING LOSS..
If this change was intended, I'd like to know the reasoning behind it. Maybe it was just because rangers hadn't been nerfed for a couple of weeks(just kidding) Previously, this ability provided a useful addition to a group's pulling options rather that the tank edging forward for a proximity pull. I cannot see how adding social agro to this ability improves the game at all. If devs are looking at predator abilities it would be nice if something was done about Hawk Dive.
If it was intended, and Im sure it was, it was to bring in in line with the rest of the survail line. All the previous survail arts would draw social, so if this was the exception, then it wasnt working as intended. I know you dont want to hear it, but thats the reason behind it. Devs have stated that fact before. And yes, you can say its been working like that for as long as we have had it, but that doesnt mean thats how it was supposed to function.
Doesn't stop them from keeping us informed though does it, and I have to say anybody who thought this wasn't going to get brought into line with the rest of the series was deluding themselves.
Oh I completely agree that it should have been mentioned in the update notes... I hate when they ninja stuff.
Thanks for answering my question Nesse, but what I should have asked is why does the surveil line have to cause social agro? Is it unbalancing the game in some respect or does it create difficulties on the pvp server? In the early days of eq2 stalk/surveil abilities could pull mobs back to the group without attacking the ranger at all. Seems to me it was a great predator defining ability, now it is just a stealth with deagro.
Anyone who's had a chance to raid some of the new zones (particularly EH or MMCIS) .. may have some understanding why they might have made the change now. It made raiding a little easier and quicker (knowing which to pull and which to leave) ... perhaps more then what the developers/producers wanted. Or it might just have been something on the backburner of their list of Things to Do which they finally got around to doing .. "Fix Surveillance" to function the same as its earlier versions. Another possible reason was to give rangers more emphasis to consider taking "Hooked Arrow" .. and making rangers more unique/specialised for pulling .. as assassins no longer share the duties of pulling for raids/groups.
A "fix" that nerfs an ability is still a nerf. All nerfs should be addressed in the notes. No exceptions. Anything less makes people speculate as to why it was done and increases animosity.
Gareorn is right, but at this point...it's pointless to speculate. Better to enjoy the holidays for now instead of worrying about things like this. Hopefully this gets addressed at some point. :smileyhappy:
