Assuming the bans/fixes start to really work..

You post an opinion which is absurd, and then expect no responses. Gotcha. Plus you label any responses as ad hominem attacks. Very nice. And both entirely self serving.

Kronos are there for a reason, and tradeable for a reason. They solve an issue of fraud since people were already buying and selling plat and game cards. This way there is an in-game system for exchange, one which can also be monitored.

Removing trade status eliminates the need for Krono, they no longer have any reason to exist except as expensive subs. Not terribly useful. Without Krono we go back to trading without oversight and the ability to inspect (in game) what we are buying with our plat, unlike doing the same for game cards.

The problem doesn't go away, obviously, it just reverts to an even worse problem.

Frankly, you may as well demand all plat and items in the game be no-trade.

on an established server Krono are fine and do their job, where they fail is on a new server where everyone is supposed to start out "even" ..

Krono allows the transfer of wealth from the live server to the new server. people were showing up on the TLP servers with dozens, or even hundreds of Krono in their pocket, it allowed them to purchase plat and items not through any game play, but simply by sitting in a city zone and auctioning them off.

They quickly were able to buy top gear and max out valuable trade skills like Jewelry and reseach without even bothering to ding level 2 which further increased their wealth.

This ability to transfer of wealth and create "instant millionaires" on these servers did far more damage then good

Krono on Ragefire and Lockjaw will continue to destroy the economy. It will keep any loot that people want perma camped and 99% of the player base will still be forced to purchase them to trade/sell to buy the things they want. Hopefully DBG learns from this experimentation and disables that little krono box so it won't be mucking up the economy on the no box server. Maybe go as far as to just make all loot no drop. Most of us are not 15 year old EQ addicts with no other choices for our gaming dollars anymore. Get it together DBG.

Heres a good idea for plat sinks. Enable the zone Shadowhaven and have only the casino npcs spawn. And if you are feeling really giving, enable the bazaar off of shadowhaven 0_o

Kronos did not destroy LJ or RF economy. it the Exploiter that kill LJ and RF economy. Gun dont kill people, its people that kill people.

You post an opinion which is absurd, and then expect no responses. Gotcha. Plus you label any responses as ad hominem attacks. Very nice. And both entirely self serving.

Please Behee, enlighten me. You say my opinion is absurd. "Absurd" denotes a specific state of irrational which I dont see you define or demonstrate. I expected responses but ones which throw out labels without reason or proof hardly demonstrate absurdity. You disagree and, I assume. I imply you are pro Krono on TLP. Explain that for me with some reasons...you can disagree with me but I'd like to understand the reasoning you use and the basis upon which you found your beliefs.

You also state my response is self serving. I don't accumulate kronos but I do hunt and play the game at both the social and raid level and am wondering how I profit (self serve) through this argument on the forums. Am I to get rich? Am I attempting to undermine the economy in a way that benefits myself at the expense of others (which others?)? I assure you I have a real job and disposable income that would allow me to purchase enough kronos to "win" whatever I could win via krono purchases...but I'm content playing with friends and guildmates and observing the yoyo economy and the mage bot armies that are, imho mucking up the scenery. I'm curious what profit I'm getting from exposing myself to internet attacks aside from a sincere desire to discuss possible improvements.


Kronos are there for a reason, and tradeable for a reason. They solve an issue of fraud since people were already buying and selling plat and game cards. This way there is an in-game system for exchange, one which can also be monitored.


Again, never said they weren't there for a profit. My question is if the profit on TLP is worth the cost. I've seen a recent issue of possible PP duping and masses of Mage Bot armies...is this less impactful to EQ than the other previous forms of fraud? Kronos are obviously intended to be a form of in-game exchange...no one has claimed otherwise...but is it's existence and monitoring a benefit to the health of the game more than previous methods? Perhaps we can agree to disagree that this attempt (kronos) hasn't achieved the monitoring and fraud prevention to the benefit of the game that it was designed or intended for.

Removing trade status eliminates the need for Krono, they no longer have any reason to exist except as expensive subs. Not terribly useful. Without Krono we go back to trading without oversight and the ability to inspect (in game) what we are buying with our plat, unlike doing the same for game cards.


If I had said that in such a simple fashion, I would agree, but I've qualified my comments regarding the specific impact on TLP (I'd be happy to talk about live servers though). Kronos would still serve a function on Live and would still have some function in TLP if they were no-trade on TLP or even trade once and done (attunable) on TLP. Oversight existed in different forms before Kronos..and it can exist in different forms after kronos. I just believe the overall impact on the servers (TLP) is worse than intended and in need of addressing. Aside from the fact that I've flatly stated that DBG isn't dispensing with them, I find it interesting that my noting that still provokes such a stroke reaction. Oh well, bow down before the sacred Krono. Don't question its impact...those profiting from it won't allow that and don't want discussions of it's long term implications for the game? (flip sarcastic remarks like this aren't not very productive are they)

Or are you open to discussing things?

The problem doesn't go away, obviously, it just reve rts to an even worse problem.


I can respect that you believe that, but I disagree (see how that works?). I would say that it's not obvious by the mass of people who post here disagreeing. If it were obvious I would be alone. But I'm not. And I'm really not even in the minority. So again we'll mark that as as an area of disagreement. Not obvious and I'd be happy to consider your logic as to how the reversion (or suggested changes) create a "worse" problem

Frankly, you may as well demand all plat and items in the game be no-trade.
Again I'd simply ask...what is your reasoning here. I find a quantitative and qualitative difference between kronos and the impact of plat and ingame items that must be hunted for at some point...

kronos that can just be bought...and critically...traded directly across servers. That, imho creates a whole different incentive for more people to do chimpy things that damage the game and the fabric of EQ. I see a difference. If you do not...then that isn't proof of some automatic equivalence.....perhaps it's a topic for a further discussion.

Again, people can differ from you (or me) and still be right. Let's try and be productive and offer suggestions that might..just might...help the game we all play...survive for the longer and healthier period of time.

Peace out.

What's the point of a Krono then?

basically they would be for those who can't read or like to spend more for a membership in that case.

the kronos should be locked to a server.. you buy it a DBG site and point it to x server and that is where it can be bought and sold ..

Of course the trouble with this is that they are for all the games too i believe (i messed around on DC but otherwise nothing interests me at all - I wish they would access that other game that was cancelled a year or 2 ago by sony though i can't remember the name - i started to read up on it and before i started downloading it it was up for closure)

Yeah, but the entire point of a Krono is to cut down on gamecard scamming, which was pretty much at a critical level when the Krono was introduced. People were buying game time for in game money as it was (and have been since day 1), the Krono is just a safe means to verify the transaction, which OP obviously doesn't follow.

I would like to point out that a krono IS worth 17.99 to purchase with real money ..

NOW how many of YOU make 17.99 and hour at your jobs (many salary based jobs don't make this anymore as THOUGH the stated hours are never what is real time) and MANY players are managing to make the influx in trash and coin to pay for the present supposed "righteous" price of krono..

bottom line the concept of krono is to easy to be broken as a currency source ..

THIS is the issue with a game that WAS originally designed for PtP and can no longer subsidize itself in this manner.

17.99/hour is high school money! We are all grown ups now!! insulting! Loving Krono as I have amassed enough to play the game for free with many boxes, for a long time, because i am a cheap azz!!

Please stop with the anti-Krono rants. Kronos aren't going anywhere. Nor should they.

Just quoting this, as I love seeing absolutely idiotic things said on the internet.

I netted more than that an hour waiting tables in high school and college, and I got to eat for free!

With all due respect, $17.99/hour is chump change and I haven't made that little in years.

Everything is relative

seems krono box could be disabled on rf and lj and for those that wish to use krono for subs can just log into any live server to click your krono for your 30 days. can buy and sell on live servers where prices are more rational then they are on tlp's.

Very true. I was just responding to his question, although I'm really not certain what relevance his question had to the subject.

Congrats on being successful in real life.

Now, back to EQ where your salary is meaningless...

17.99 is cheap for a months entertainment.
If you pay via traditional methods it's cheaper than that.

I like krono's. I saved up a fair amount of plat in the era where people had nothing to spend plat on.
Now, someone else pays for my account. I give them plat, they give me krono's.

I'm trying to figure out how this is a problem.

It's shaking plat loose from me that didn't help me at all.
It's giving someone who didn't have plat a way to throw a few bucks at the problem and get my plat.
Both parties are happy. And nobody has to deal with risks of 3rd party sites to do so.