[Suggestion] Vanguard revamp ideas

Discussion in 'PlanetSide 2 Gameplay Discussion' started by Lamat, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. a-koo-chee-moya

    Well, more health does increase DPM indirectly, as if you survive longer, you do more damage. Mobility, on the other had, you have to think about. Choosing the path that only you can take, staying far enough away to actually be able to dodge anything, etc.
    http://imgur.com/gLaNOAs

    Vanguard DPS
    2075/4=518.4

    Magrider DPS
    1865/3.75=497.3

    They're pretty close, but it proves that Vanguard isn't worse at killing things.
    Vanguard also has better bullet velocity than Magrider.
  2. a-koo-chee-moya

    Actually, thats more important than you think. A Vangaurd can now turn sideways and "strafe" that way.
  3. lothbrook

    Which a noob wouldn't do, lol. Plus a VG sideways has a MASSIVE profile to hit.
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  4. a-koo-chee-moya

    ? Well, I don't really see the problem? I guess you turret might move a little, but you could compensate.
  5. lothbrook

    You were wondering why noobs do better in the Magrider, and you said they could do something a noob wouldn't have a clue how to do, and now you think they're going to know how to compensate?

    Out of the box the VG is by far the worst tank because its "heavier" armor is only on the sides of the tank where it has a massive profile and easier to hit, the shield is the only time the VG becomes the tank that can really take more hits.
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  6. ColonelChingles

    DPS numbers don't tell you if it's worse at killing things. Killing things numbers show that you're worse at killing things.

    The combination of the Vanguards characteristics make it less suited to killing infantry or vehicles than other MBTs.
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  7. a-koo-chee-moya

    Well, more health+same dps=bad tank?
  8. lothbrook

    Honestly i think blast radius should be relative to reload time, why does the VG HE have the same blast radius as a magrider, lightning, and prowler while having the longest reload time, its just stupid, you don't even have to try it to know its going to be the worst by a large margin.
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  9. a-koo-chee-moya

    Why does the magrider gun have the most drop and least elevation?
  10. ColonelChingles

    More Health+Same DPS+Less Agility+Less Speed+Bigger Target=Bad Tank
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  11. a-koo-chee-moya

    Prowler only goes like 5kph faster, All Tanks are big targets, and Prowler isn't more agile.
  12. lothbrook

    Because it has the highest mobility while firing? This isn't rocket science bro. I'd also like to point out the magrider can point down further than other tanks, making it ideal for firing over ledges and getting better shots on infantry.
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  13. Alarox

    It has the same drop. Its velocity is slower because it is the hardest to hit at a distance by far. It has the least elevation because of a design oversight.

    Prowler has noticeably faster turn speed, acceleration, and around 10KPH faster front/reverse speeds.
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  14. lothbrook

    lol, yes the prowler is much more agile than the VG, have you even played the other tanks?
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  15. a-koo-chee-moya

    Yep, cause a tank strafing at infantry sprint speed makes all the difference. Also, that mobility only works at range, so it makes sense for a ranged tank to have the least, not the most, drop
  16. lothbrook

    It does when that tank is almost unhittable at range, lol.
  17. ColonelChingles

    The Magrider can achieve a faster top speed with Magburner, and the Prowler is faster.

    The Vanguard is by far the largest tank to hit:

    [IMG]

    And both the Prowler and especially the Magrider have better acceleration than the Vanguard (hence "agility").
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  18. a-koo-chee-moya

    Yep, and they other 2 MBTs drove the same. Also, what do you mean by agile. Turn speed isn't going to make much of a difference, unless prowler can go 0 to 50 in like a quarter of a second.
  19. Ronin Oni

    It takes 1 more STK/reloads on front or side.

    Pretty sure someone on Reddit literally JUST tested this
  20. lothbrook

    I've tested it a lot, its only on the side that it takes 1 more reload, the armor difference on the front is only noticeable between the prowler/magrider when secondaries are involved.
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