10 things I would change if I could

Sebyos · Apr 26, 2013

11. ROCKETS DON'T OHK INFANTRY.

Phazaar · Apr 26, 2013

Ruar said: ↑

“In no particular order.

1. HA AV weapons- The only lock on weapon would be the annihilator. The GTA and GTG lock on launcers would instead operate under the same principal as the engineer AV turret. I'd also add NS Phoenix with less damage and NS Lancer with longer reload time.

Suspicious... You seem to have not mentioned an NS Striker? Maybe you'll address that later...

2. Shotguns- Decrease the overall damage each pellet does while increasing the spread of each shot. There would be no one hit kills or even two hit kills. Instead shotguns would be the choice for crowded corridors where you can damage multiple enemies with each shot, but not for engaging single targets. NC MAX shotguns would operate under same principal but have slugs as built in option for longer range engagements.

TTKs make 'AOE' damage irrelevant on a close quarters weapon. If you're doing decreased single target DPS in close combat, the fact that your opponent ISN'T means they'll win every encounter, much less that they won't pwn you if there's a few of them in the corridor. I know what you're envisioning in your head, but it simply doesn't happen in this game, nor will with any of your other suggestions.

3. AP mines- All three AP mines removed from the game, all associated cert points restored, and instead I'd put in a shield similar to the ones seen on the engineer AI weapon but short enough it can be jumped over. The shield would provide mobile cover and could be used on boxes but not in doorways.

Engineers aren't the only class with AP mines. Love the shield idea, but where's the infiltrator fall into this? AP mines are fine as they are; keep them for infiltrator (and engineer tbh), but hell ya bring on the deployable shields.

4. Increase health by 40-50% (except MAXes) to slow down the speed at which people die. Not shields, but health. This will help medics and engineers by creating a bigger demand for health and ammo refills.

I don't see the need for this change, and see it -massively- screwing with existing balance. Game balance works a lot like weather. a 2 degree shift for a week in India can cause a gale in Wales, a Hurricane in Florida and a drought in Chile.

5. Striker- Change to a multi-barrel rocket launcher similar to the PS1 SA rocket launcher. Can fire single rockets one at a time with same projectile speed as the Lancer, or switch to alt fire mode to launch all barrels at once. Reload would be slowest of all ESRL. No guidance or tracking but instead high volume of fire.

Ahhh, here we go, the NS Striker?... Oh wait... No mention of... I really hope this is an oversight?

As to your changes, you want a ROCKET LAUNCHER that fires at EIGHT TIMES the speed of current rocket projectiles? Are you smoking crack?!

6. Way to see infiltrators- Create darklight implant or use HSNV scope to see infiltrators. Downside is limited field of view, but it would allow some kind of defense when infiltrators are known to be in an area.

Low settings. Try it.

Lol, but seriously, a way to see infiltrators = good eyes and Scout Radar. You really don't need anything more, unless they make infiltrators remain stealthed eternally. They're already gimped as it is.

7. Sunderer adjustments- Split utility and defense into two different categories. Blockade armor would get mineguard defense but downgraded to a 50% reduction in damage instead of 70%.

They are different categories

But I know what you mean. I support this if tanks+ESFs get smoke/flares on a new slot. Otherwise there's no need for it; pick your counters for the situation you're in.

8. Camo changes- Offer solid color camo in empire specific shades, olive drab, tan, black, and white. Blockade armor would assume camo scheme instead of being black plates.

If that would really make you happy...

9. MBT changes- Increase health of MBTs by 35-40%. Remove AI specific weapons and reduce AI damage on AP cannon so that no cannon can produce a one hit kill. Increase innate resistance against ESF rockets. Idea is to make MBTs primarily anti-armor/vehicle platforms while increasing their life to allow them to engage in armor fights. Reduced ability against infantry would mean increased reliance on friendly infantry, buggies, or lightning thus creating more of a need for combined arms.

People say the funniest things. This change would remove combined arms from the game altogether. Tank drivers aren't playing the game just because tanking is fun. They're playing it to win, like everyone else. There is no reason to pull a tank (which makes less xp/hour than most infantry) if you're not a threat to enemy infantry. In the same way, there's no reason to pull air if you're not a threat to enemy armor. Understand that combined arms is created by hierarchies, not by duels.

Air beats ground, forcing ground platoons to bring air support and try to get air superiority. Infantry bring tanks because if they can deal with the enemy tanks, their own tanks will roflstomp the enemy infantry. Infantry are the starting point for all things (and thus the weakest) by necessity; there is nothing else you -have- to do in game. It's not rock-paper-scissors, like an RPG. Infantry doesn't beat air, otherwise we're back to the point that air superiority is irrelevant, and there's no need to pull air. Infantry doesn't (shouldn't ) beat tanks, otherwise we're back to the point that tank support is irrelevant and there's no reason to pull tanks. Infantry is everyone's *****, because it's the only thing that can flip a point, reliably camp a spawn, or most importantly, enter a building. Nothing else is necessary, so you have to not just incentivise, but actively FORCE that gameplay.

10. Population incentive- Provide option for overcrowded faction to change faction creating new character with same total certs and BR. So BR25 NC with a total of 5000 certs on Helios could create VS on Helios that is BR 25 with 5000 certs to spend. Having an exp bonus is simply not enough incentive to pull someone away from the work they spent on a character and ask them to change factions.”

Not sure the faction switching would help unless it was closely controlled. That said, I'd be happy for them to try it, or at least test the waters with the roadmap.

DramaticExit · Apr 26, 2013

Since everyone else is doing it...

Ruar said: ↑

“In no particular order.

1. HA AV weapons- The only lock on weapon would be the annihilator. The GTA and GTG lock on launcers would instead operate under the same principal as the engineer AV turret. I'd also add NS Phoenix with less damage and NS Lancer with longer reload time.
I'd have no problem with the idea of launchers guided in the same manner as the engineer AV turret. However, the various lock on launchers are pretty much fine. I'd be very tempted by just tweaking them slightly to address a few extremely minor balance issues between them.

2. Shotguns- Decrease the overall damage each pellet does while increasing the spread of each shot. There would be no one hit kills or even two hit kills. Instead shotguns would be the choice for crowded corridors where you can damage multiple enemies with each shot, but not for engaging single targets. NC MAX shotguns would operate under same principal but have slugs as built in option for longer range engagements.
No thanks. While I'm not a shotgun user myself making them as situational as you suggest would decrease their usage to almost zero. I've little problem with people grabbing a shotgun for those close in fights. Hell, I don't really mind much about the instakills... What I would suggest with shotguns is making them fire a little more slowly, and adding a lot more kick. That way the second shot is likely to spread so wide that it does next to no damage if the first one doesn't instakill.

3. AP mines- All three AP mines removed from the game, all associated cert points restored, and instead I'd put in a shield similar to the ones seen on the engineer AI weapon but short enough it can be jumped over. The shield would provide mobile cover and could be used on boxes but not in doorways.
Yes please. AP mines are pretty much the single least stylish way of grabbing kills. They involve next to no effort from the person using them.

4. Increase health by 40-50% (except MAXes) to slow down the speed at which people die. Not shields, but health. This will help medics and engineers by creating a bigger demand for health and ammo refills.
No thanks. I like the fast TTK. It means that errors in judgement, poor positioning and lack of situational awareness get punished hard. I like that.

5. Striker- Change to a multi-barrel rocket launcher similar to the PS1 SA rocket launcher. Can fire single rockets one at a time with same projectile speed as the Lancer, or switch to alt fire mode to launch all barrels at once. Reload would be slowest of all ESRL. No guidance or tracking but instead high volume of fire.
Would the multi-shot alt fire mode also fire at the same projectile speed as a lancer? If so, this may be rather hard to balance. However, I'd have no issues with a fast repeating rocket such as this, if unguided.

6. Way to see infiltrators- Create darklight implant or use HSNV scope to see infiltrators. Downside is limited field of view, but it would allow some kind of defense when infiltrators are known to be in an area.
No. Just no. There are plenty of ways to defend yourself against infiltrators... Such as looking at them or sneezing in their general direction. They are rather easy to spot and see as well as having significantly less health and shields.

7. Sunderer adjustments- Split utility and defense into two different categories. Blockade armor would get mineguard defense but downgraded to a 50% reduction in damage instead of 70%.
Not much of an issue at present. Sundies have significant survivability as it is, particularly if well positioned. Since mines were altered, this has become something of a non-issue. As for splitting utility and defense... The ability to use some armour and a repair/resuply module would be nice... Perhaps at the cost of weapons?

8. Camo changes- Offer solid color camo in empire specific shades, olive drab, tan, black, and white. Blockade armor would assume camo scheme instead of being black plates.
Sure. Dont see why not.

9. MBT changes- Increase health of MBTs by 35-40%. Remove AI specific weapons and reduce AI damage on AP cannon so that no cannon can produce a one hit kill. Increase innate resistance against ESF rockets. Idea is to make MBTs primarily anti-armor/vehicle platforms while increasing their life to allow them to engage in armor fights. Reduced ability against infantry would mean increased reliance on friendly infantry, buggies, or lightning thus creating more of a need for combined arms.
Tanks as they stand are pretty much fine, in my opinion. Well used, they can do absolutely insane things. Poorly used, they die in droves. There are a few changes I'd suggest though. One of these is ensuring that rocketpods cannot kill an MBT in a single volley, and the other is a slight increase in armour. Beyond that, no changes need to be made. They should be effective against infantry and other armour.

10. Population incentive- Provide option for overcrowded faction to change faction creating new character with same total certs and BR. So BR25 NC with a total of 5000 certs on Helios could create VS on Helios that is BR 25 with 5000 certs to spend. Having an exp bonus is simply not enough incentive to pull someone away from the work they spent on a character and ask them to change factions.
I really do see the need for changes in this regard... However I'm not sure yours is the answer... My suggestion would be using the system already in place, but making the XP bonus for having a lower population significantly higher. I would also be tempted by suggesting that perhaps the vehicle timer should be reduced significantly for underpopulated factions.”

LonelyTerran · Apr 26, 2013

Why do people still downplay infiltrators?

My reaction when someone is downplaying infiltrators

They are borderline broken with an Smg if you don't have perfect eyesight.

Moving on
Na

siiix · Apr 26, 2013

#1 ban all the people from the forum who recommend nerfting as ONLY solution as balancing with out the possibility of a compromise, or people who want to remove weapons, vehicles or explosives from the game

#2 roll back all the nerfts on vehicles

#3 buff all vehicle armor as additional unlockable

#4 every time there is a planed big change for balancing reason , let the community VOTE

#5 put back the capture time bonus as it was

#6 redesign bases to be better defend able, by removing holes in the wall, removing unnecessary empty buildings, making bases more compact and make shields block infantry as well as vehicles, also double defend bonus from 15 to 30%

#7 add weapon terminal to galaxies, maybe limited spawn capability (maybe landed / deployed only)

#8 infantry wall turrets a BIT more accurate

#9 bigger selection of spawn locations

#10 WAY more items in the store, including solid colors

RX530SS · Apr 26, 2013

Well, they aren't going to remove AP mines. Just get flak armor and deal with it.

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