GU08 Weapon and Attachment Changes

The GuassSaw is most affected by virtical and horizonal recoil and so the attachment changes will affect the NC much more than TR and not the VS at all; ergo, a buff to TR and VS and a nerf to NC.

The last sentence in the above is an exaggeration and should be ignored.

Come on guys you know the old saying:

"If it ain't broke, then we need to fix it until it stops working"

Whoever decided that the Weapon Switch time needed a tweak needs to be fired. I have military experience and if it takes you that long to pull up your rifle, your in the wrong job.

This is nothing short of dumb!

I think you forgot to read the part where it said LMGs + foregrips are the main things getting nerfed for the patch while everything else that is supposed to perform well at long range is generally getting a buff (and compensators, HV ammo, etc. are getting differentiated/specialized values for pretty much everything across the board instead of ie: a flat 10% which made a very small difference for some weapons that already had low recoil). Until the values are released and all the changes go live (and people can actually test the changes for themselves) I don't think players really have a right to start raging. If it makes you feel any better, I doubt they will touch 4x scopes or so, which should make BRs very strong mid-long range weapons. Otherwise, if you want to down people at very long ranges reliably, why don't you just go infil? BRs are not meant to outperform semiauto sniper rifles. Long range AI combat should be the infiltrator's specialty.

MSW-R has had reload buffs (3.4s -> ~3s, which is one of the faster reloads for LMGs). The switching weapons with grips now seems less bugged (at least with TR weapons).

I don't go infil because I don't like going infil; especially as an infil has a very singular and specialised area of operations. Once inside the courtyard of a Amp Station or a Tech Plant and, while you still need to have, almost sniper like, long range effectiveness, actually trying to use the infil in this situation would be next to useless. Hence using an HA which, currently, equipped with a GuassSaw, advanced forward grip, compensator and 6x scope gives some effectiveness at longer ranges as well as medium. This effectiveness will be gone come GU8.

All the indirect buffs to the much maligned battle rifles are all taken away again by the 6x scope sway..

Why? It's not like BR even with the buffs are any good over pretty much any other weapon at any range past very long.

Hopefully the new breath timer will be slightly longer than the current nearly non-existant 'I have two thimbles for lungs' length.

I hope the Sabr is one of the ARs being buffed. The overall recoil is crazy when compared to fully automatic weapons with the same damage.

You don't know your gun stats my good friend.

Guass Saw
x1.6
0.175
0.5

Most tr lmgs including the carv

2x
0.225
0.4

Now ask your high br nc buddys what they think the most accurate lmgs in the game are with the less recoil when fully certed

I think he meant to say vertical recoil Fenrisk. Tr and Vs are .4 on most vertical and nc is .55 and since this is a nerf to the foregrips affect on vertical recoil and a buff to its horizontal. He may have a point but lets wait and see what happens.

Not a fair comparison. The carv and saw aren't meant to fill the same role. Compare the SAW to the TMG-50 (x1.5, 0.175, .45).

This ^^

I know, but why should it be ignored? It's almost true in every cqb engagement i get in vs a HA. But there are good HA players of course.

TMG-50 has no access to the advanced foregrip while the saw does. That's a 15% reduction in recoil.
The TMG-50 pays for its reduced recoil with 143 damage per shot and a rate of fire of 577 with 75 bullets a mag.
The SAW does 200 damage per shot with a rate of fire of 500 and 100 bullets a mag.

The SAW beats the TMG-50 in damage, recoil (with AD foregrip) and bullets per mag. The SAW's time to kill is significantly shorter at close and long range then the TMG-50 while having more access to attachments and being more accurate as a result.

After the nerf the only thing the TMG-50 will have better then the saw is upwards recoil and rate of fire. (not by much) That's despite the TMG-50 costing certs as its not our default LMG unlike the saw. For balance sake i think the TMG-50 should do 167 damage a shot since it requires certs to buy and has less damage then the saw with no access to the ad foregrip and less bullets per mag.

[edited and corrected as got ROF mixed up with the EM6]

The SAW has the lowest rate of fire of all LMGs at 500, nowhere near 600. You're confusing it with the EM6, which is worse than the TMG-50 at range.

The vertical recoil is 0.55, not 0.50. The difference of 0.05 is as big as the differences in horizontal recoil between the SAW and the Carv. The reason why 167 damage weapons have smaller horizontal recoil is they actually lose more DPS and have longer TTK at range due to damage drop off and lower rate of fire.

The SAW has an ROF of 500, not 600.

That's not a healthy way of looking at it. Granted that SOE needs to do a better job with attachments in general, VS have it quite a bit worse than TR for LMGs, but that's very easily fixed. You shouldn't factor a cert cost into balancing a weapon.

Corrected my post as i got the rof mixed up.

There are very few sidegrades in this game and most weapons you end up buying with certs or station cash are upgrades. At the very least you expect any weapon you buy with SC or certs to have access to all the important attachments such as a advanced foregrip and be slightly better then the default weapons even if its not by much.

You may also want to fix the damage you listed for the TMG-50. its 167. It's just a bad em6 with more recoil reduction, but less RoF and Mag size. GG TR faction traits.