Rampage Delta

Discussion in 'Berserker' started by ARCHIVED-CherobylJoe, Sep 16, 2005.

  1. ARCHIVED-konofo Guest

    I can't wait to see how it interacts with Open Wounds now. Those 10-11 procs may be gone in one glorious swing. Gain one more level and let us know. ;)
    najena.konk
  2. ARCHIVED-Dashel Guest

    Yeah I'm really loving Rampage. It's just about right in my opinion. 3 minute timer is perfect. Clearly powerful but not over powered. It is once again making me shine in the multiple mob encounters. The more mobs the better, that's the beauty of Rampage, it scales up.
  3. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

    Not overpowered?

    Here's a log from me, as a solo level 53 Berserker attacking a group of 4 no-arrow level 54 guards.

    To save you adding it up, it's 24050 damage in 13 seconds... Or 1850 dps, and I do that to a group every 3 minutes and have been able to solo them like this since level 50 (but had lower dps with many more misses).

    If you read the log, you'll see there are 48 attempts at Rampaging Blow (45 hits, 3 misses).

    It's not just that Rampage does a lot of damage (9850 in this log), but that because it's a melee attack it can trigger other procs (big, slow weapon = king), such as Furious Assault procs from Unbridled Fury (5829 damage here)... (Also note I'm using an ACGF in the log for the heal proc - with an RGF the DPS is higher).


    (1127156483)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:23 2005] You use your weapons to guard yourself.
    (1127156487)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:27 2005] You start on a berserker rampage.
    (1127156489)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:29 2005] You start fighting.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Slaughter hits a Blades guard for 234 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 188 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 247 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 234 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 216 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 276 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 177 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 233 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 229 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 303 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 268 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 193 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 268 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Slaughter hits a Blades guard for 527 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 114 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOU try to crush a Blades guard with Rampaging Blow, but miss.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOU try to crush a Blades guard with Rampaging Blow, but miss.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 184 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 307 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 193 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 281 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 247 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Slaughter hits a Blades guard for 263 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 251 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 147 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 273 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 285 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Slaughter hits a Blades guard for 314 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 163 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 151 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 250 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156491)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:31 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 273 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156492)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:32 2005] YOU hit a Blades guard for 469 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156492)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:32 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 283 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156492)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:32 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 275 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156492)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:32 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 173 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156492)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:32 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 339 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 109 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Counterattack hits a Blades guard for 192 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 214 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 266 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 207 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 327 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 135 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Counterattack hits a Blades guard for 150 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 266 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 311 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 118 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 169 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 198 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 237 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 147 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 257 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOU try to crush a Blades guard with Rampaging Blow, but miss.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 194 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 203 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 183 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 322 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 198 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 153 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 293 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 147 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 329 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOU heal YOURSELF for 244 hit points.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 269 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 233 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 228 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 135 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 145 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156493)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:33 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 325 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 101 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Counterattack hits a Blades guard for 148 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 122 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 236 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 272 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 233 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 229 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 204 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 273 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 197 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 288 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 197 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Furious Assault hits a Blades guard for 216 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Rampaging Blow hits a Blades guard for 117 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] Your rampage ends.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] Your attacks return to normal.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Stunning Roar hits a Blades guard for 485 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Stunning Roar hits a Blades guard for 457 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Stunning Roar hits a Blades guard for 579 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156494)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:34 2005] YOUR Stunning Roar hits a Blades guard for 484 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156495)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:35 2005] YOU hit a Blades guard for 598 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156497)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:37 2005] YOUR Berserker Assault hits a Blades guard for 321 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156497)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:37 2005] YOUR Berserker Assault hits a Blades guard for 591 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156497)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:37 2005] YOUR Berserker Assault hits a Blades guard for 354 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156497)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:37 2005] YOUR Berserker Assault hits a Blades guard for 444 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156498)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:38 2005] Your target is too far away! Move closer!
    (1127156498)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:38 2005] a Blades guard tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
    (1127156498)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:38 2005] a Blades guard's Wound hits YOU for 41 points of slashing damage.
    (1127156498)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:38 2005] a Blades guard's Wound hits YOU for 42 points of slashing damage.
    (1127156498)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:38 2005] You are wounded in battle.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] a Blades guard tries to crush YOU, but misses.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] YOUR Wallop hits a Blades guard for 342 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] You have killed a Blades guard.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] You stop fighting.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] You gain experience!
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] Your faction standing with The Court of the Blades could not possibly get any worse.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] A Blades guard beigns to bruise after a severe thrashing.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 124 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 137 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156499)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2005] You start fighting.
    (1127156500)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:40 2005] YOUR Relentless Battering hits a Blades guard for 218 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156500)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:40 2005] Somthing inside of A Blades guard shakes loose from the relentless battering.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] YOU hit a Blades guard for 564 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] Your wound starts to close.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] A Blades guard starts to feel whole again.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] You have killed a Blades guard.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] You stop fighting.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] You gain experience!
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] Your faction standing with The Court of the Blades could not possibly get any worse.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] Too little too late... Your target is already dead.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 88 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156501)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:41 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 60 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] You start fighting.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] YOUR Vanquish hits a Blades guard for 352 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] You have killed a Blades guard.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] You stop fighting.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] You gain experience!
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] Your faction standing with The Court of the Blades could not possibly get any worse.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] A Blades guard is struck with a vanquishing blow.
    (1127156502)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:42 2005] A Blades guard regains their wits.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] a Blades guard hits YOU for 76 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] You start fighting.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] YOUR Frenzy hits a Blades guard for 285 points of crushing damage.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] You have killed a Blades guard.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] You stop fighting.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] You gain experience!
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] Your faction standing with The Court of the Blades could not possibly get any worse.
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] You gain bonus experience for defeating the encounter!
    (1127156503)[Mon Sep 19 20:01:43 2005] A Blades guard is struck by a frenzy of attacks.


    It should be noted that I can solo these groups without Rampage, but it takes about 90 seconds and is a close fight if they stun more than once. So maybe you can say that Rampage isn't overpowered alone, but with the rest of our arsenal, it certainly feels like it to me (not that I don't enjoy it, of course) and I know something will be nerfed somewhere.

    Also, I have full fabled gear, Master I's in many places, Adept3 everywhere else. Over 350 self-buffed stength (200 in sta and agi).
  4. ARCHIVED-Dashel Guest

    So you're saying you can solo a group that you can normally defeat solo anyway, faster, with Rampage. Yes I'd say thats "clearly powerful, but not overpowered". Can it be tweaked, sure.
  5. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

    Not quite. I'm saying that with Rampage, I can kill yellow-con (up to 5 levels above me) heroics in under 15seconds using under 20% power and barely getting scratched. Without Rampage, I can kill heroics up to 2 levels above me, but it takes time and I'll likely have to run if I get stunned more than once (that's solo, of course). That's a huge difference to be made with a skill on a 3min timer.

    Personally, I feel that Berserkers on the whole are overpowered after the revamp (in terms of DPS, at least), but I realise that this is almost completely down to equipment and spell upgrades - upgrading skills makes such a huge difference to everything you do now (50-100% better, instead of 5-10% before the revamp), and clearly those without Adept3/Master in the (new) main spells are struggling with the changes.
  6. ARCHIVED-Dashel Guest

    Yah must be your equip because I highly doubt I could do that. I'd also wonder if this applies only to multiple mobs, can you do this to a single yellow con heroic mob?

    IMO if you're running around in fabled gear with Master I/Adept III in your CA's you've earned some power in a grind setting. Perhaps at the high end Rampage needs a bit of a tone down, I dont know as I'm in Legendary and Adept I CA's. =)
  7. ARCHIVED--Aonein- Guest

    Well in that log file Rampage fired a hell of alot more then 10 times, thats the problem, its procing more then 10 times. Also i know for a fact there is no way in hell i could tank mobs 5 lvls higher then me, i cant even duo a lvl 48 ^^^ mobs let alone solo 4 lvl 55 mobs.
    Ive no idea how you guys are doing it, but i have purposely gone and pulled groups of mobs with 4+ mobs in them to try and produce that sceanrio and i just cant do it, most i get is 11 procs, thats it. What it looks like its doing is firing 10 times per mob, which is obviously a bug, because it should only be procing 10 times and thats it, reguardless of how many mobs.
    I just dont see how you guys are pumping so much out like you are.
    Message Edited by -Aonein- on 09-21-2005 03:02 AM
  8. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

    Against the level 54^^^ the fights are completely different. They are long (can use Rampage twice), and go to the wire. They also require switching from offensive to defensive and back and you're quite reliant on the HP regen buffs.
  9. ARCHIVED-Dashel Guest

    K so looks like you're getting 10 procs per mob. I have not tested this at all. Are we sure thats not how it's supposed to be? I thought thats how it was supposed to work. 10 AE procs. Meaning 10 procs that hit everything in the area once. So one mob = 10 hits, 2 mobs = 20 hits. Scales upwards.
  10. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

    Umm... Rampage is an AOE proc buff and it always has been. Unbridled Fury is now an AOE proc.

    As for it hitting 11 or 12 (per my log) times, I seem to get the extra proc if Furious Assault fires from the melee attack rather than the Rampaging Blow attack (I then get a rampage proc on each furious assault, and the original melee attack).

    As for how to do it? Well, forget about those ^^^ mobs, you're a king of AOE. Pre-cast Weapon Guard and Rampage, use Unbridled Fury and the slowest 2H weapon you have (i.e. get a great flail), run into the middle of a group encounter with Slaughter casting, follow with Stunning Roar and Berserker Assault. Take it from there.
  11. ARCHIVED-XensosKinein Guest

    I really feel that Rampage is the Zerkers ;defining' move, and I enjoy having it. The only time I see it drop groups in a matter of seconds is when I'm using it on underfpowered mobs (i.e. blue). I think the last time anyone asid anything about Rampage being too powerful, didn't they change the timer to 60 minutes and totally hose us? I like using Rampage in it's current state, and considering that it has to roll as a melee attack, with the possibility for ripostes, I would say it's well balanced. Let's not ask for changes on rampage.
  12. ARCHIVED-MillsFairchild Guest

    I think that's what your misunderstanding. As Pin said, "Rampage is an AOE proc buff and always has been."

    It procs 10 (and sometimes 11) times. Each proc has the chance to damage the entire encounter. It's not a bug - reread the description. The only bug that I can see is it proc'ing 11 times every now and then instead of 10.

    "Rampage allows the berserker to attack all nearby enemies whenever you attack. This effect can trigger up to 10 times."

    The 'effect' it's talking about is attacking all nearby enemies. It's 10 effects, not 10 individual attacks.


    Message Edited by MillsFairchild on 09-20-2005 12:56 PM
  13. ARCHIVED-CherobylJoe Guest

    I agree with that...with Rampage and decent gear some pretty amazing things are possible. Combining a rampage with a nice 12pct rate proc weapon and a creature master buff has some really overwhelming effects.
  14. ARCHIVED-XensosKinein Guest

    ...Of course, on the same hand, any class that has made the investment in Ad3's and Masters and decent equipment can have some pretty powerful effects. The whole point of upgrading is to become more pwerful so that you CAN solo some of the higher mobs. There isn't a single class our there that doesn't have one spell that, if they had the master (plus a few others) and good gear, would n't be able to perform better than the norm. That is the point. Don't complain about Rampage because you got the Ad3 and now you feel toopowerful.. how silly is that? Why buy the Ad3 then?
  15. ARCHIVED--Aonein- Guest

    Yeah sorry i worded that wrong, but you have pointed out what i was trying to get at with the procs coming off Furious Assualt, Offending Defense, Slaughter etc etc, which shouldnt be happening.
    Im pretty sure there was meant to be a patch to fix that awhile back, you will also notice a bug when say for example your weapon has a proc and you pull with a Bow and proc the spell damage of what your Primary is.
    But yeah, dont know what i was thinking there. When you look at what other class's can do, Rampage isnt all that overpowered really, like Dash said, 1 mob = 10 procs, 2 mobs = 20 procs and so on, but keep in mind the Rampaging Blows can be Dodged, Parried and Blocked just like any other normal melee attack now, so its not like you will always get them through.
    I went and tested it on some group lvl 49 mobs ( im still lvl 50 ), and every time it was around 70% effective. meaning the other 30% was Blocked, Dodged, Parried. My gear isnt good enough to try higher lvl mobs then lvl 50, so i can only guess that as the higher the mob gets, the more its going to Block, Dodge and Parry the Rampaging Blows seeing as the higher the mob gets its harder to land Taunts on the mob and regular auto attack damage.
    After about 10 fights i compiled the data on the parser ( combat stats does it itself if you remove the date to show all for that session ) and it worked out to be around 33% effective over 10 lvl 49 - 50 group fights with 3 - 4 mobs in each group because of the amount it was Blocked, Parried and Dodged.
    One more thing Pin, i done these tests with a Herio Crook and a dual weilding set of Pristine Imbued Cedar Batons, and i can do a very good amount more dps with the DW set up then the Heiro Crook using the exact same method as you posted in the last paragraph. Most ive done with Herio Crook is 487.6 DPS and with the Batons i have gotten upto 606.1 DPS to date. I cannot get the Herio Crook to do anymore then that, no matter how hard i push that stick.
    EDIT - Im only using Rampage Apprentice I for those interested.

    Message Edited by -Aonein- on 09-22-2005 02:21 AM
  16. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

  17. ARCHIVED-Dashel Guest

    Just need to clear one more thing up for me if someone knows:

    The Rampage Proc is what exactly? A direct damage proc that is the same for any weapon you use or anything that causes it to fire (like say an Offending Defense reactive hit or a Fury hit)? If so I would guess damage simply scales with CA level (i.e. App1 vrs Ad3)

    Or is it based on your weapon equipped essentially making your one single target hit an AE attack? In which case a heavy 2 hander is ideal I'd think.

    EDIT: This is from the OP quote of the Patch Notes:

    Rampage no longer has an initial cost but now costs power for each triggered attack. It now attempts a standard melee attack each time it triggers for every target in the area instead of always guaranteeing damage.
    But I think that is refering to how it checks to see if the proc lands on each target?



    Message Edited by Dashel on 09-21-2005 09:28 AM
  18. ARCHIVED-XensosKinein Guest

    It is a proc that deals direct damage. The only thing that affects the damage output is Quality and STR (STR affects all of our CA's). I use DW mostly when Rampaging because the hits get off a lot faster, Combined with Weapon Guard, Offending Stance, and Unbridled Fury, I throw Stunning Roar and Frenzy and I can usually pop all 10 procs of very early in the fight and then finish off with Slaughter (because the cast time is too long to use while the Rampage timer is up) I have all Adept 1's except Offending Defense (Master2) Rampage (Adept 3) Stunning Roar (Master1). I've tried this combination with 1h's and 2h's and it doesn't work nearly as well.
  19. ARCHIVED-Pin StNeedles Guest

    The Rampage procs will fire off faster if you use fast DW weapons, but they will trigger far fewer secondary procs in that setup, causing much lower damage to be done during the rampage. Because Rampage is a fixed number of procs, giving a fixed amount of damage, burning in 2seconds or 5seconds means very little to the fight. Outputting an extra 3-5k damage from other procs during that time means a whole lot more.

    As your spell levels look similar to mine, compare a log of your Rampage with the one I posted above... Oh, and the main reason I open with Slaughter is because you can cast it while running into the mobs - you can't do that here with Stunning Roar as they will aggro and stun you.
  20. ARCHIVED--Aonein- Guest

    Aye i understand how that all works, was trying to expalin exactaly what you put here in Zerker channel the other day.
    As to why i only got app 1 Rampage, ive had it for awhile just havent upgraded it yet, not sure if i want too yet. Want to see what happens with Rampage.

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