New Focus effects or Epic Spell Buffs from PoW Cloak Effects

Hello,

Incoming Wall of Text.

TL;DR PoW cloak effects rock, could you make them work for all players so they remain a part of our class and not on old content?

Please look into moving the PoW cloak effects to either replace focus effects that are no longer of use (non-base reuse comes jumping to mind) or adding the effects to epic repercussion spells.

This will both increase the length of the utility of the epic spells and will remove the key need for some classes to have their PoW Cloaks equipped.

Obviously, I am a bit biased, as I am a Templar, but there are other classes the are definitely affected by this.

Effects that could be Epic spell modifications or Focus effects

Beastlord's Shroud of War
Truespirit's Guidance
• All ranks of Feral Rampage and Spirituality will have their durations increased by 2 seconds.
\aITEM -732679010 -1996527823:Beastlord's Shroud of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3562288286

Berserker's Banner of War
Warforce
• When Wall of Force expires, the berserker will take no physical damage for a short duration.
\aITEM -1488148292 -303374662:Berserker's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2806819004

Brigand's Drape of War
Thug's Daring
• Puncture will have its damage increased by 50%. This is applied before all other effects.
\aITEM -1614983542 -2135912126:Brigand's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2679983754

Bruiser's Banner of War
Brutal Beating
• Improves the radius by 5 and adds an additional threat position to Wild Beating
\aITEM -795627901 -85238712:Bruiser's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3499339395

Guardian's Banner of War
Warring Protector
• Battle Tactics is modified into a raidwide spell and increases the raid's health by an additional 5%
\aITEM 2036337743 -504427468:Guardian's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2036337743

Monk's Banner of War
Warring Provocation
• Improves the duration of Provoking Stance by 25%
\aITEM -720634895 602937484:Monk's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3574332401

Necromancer's Banner of War
Cost of War
• Improves the damage of Lifeburn by 15%
\aITEM -1642781271 -813767551:Necromancer's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2652186025

Ranger's Drape of War
Weapon Chains
• Increases Melee Weapon Range of caster by 20.0%
• Improves the range of combat arts by 20%.
• When a combat art is used this spell has a 50% chance to cast Weapon Chains on target of combat art.
• Inflicts 8 - 10 piercing damage on target
• Inflicts 8 - 10 heat damage on target
\aITEM -880385767 1469292092:Ranger's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3414581529

Swashbuckler's Drape of War
Roguish Daring
• Daring Attack will have its damage increased by 30%. This is applied before all other effects.
\aITEM 2052014779 -1217642136:Swashbuckler's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2052014779

Templar's Drape of War
Planar Benediction
• Converts Unyielding Benediction to a groupwide ability
\aITEM 1533884357 -289675925:Templar's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/1533884357

Troubador's Drape of War
Uplifting Sonata
• On a damage spell hit this spell may cast Uplifting Sonata on target. Lasts for 6.0 seconds. Triggers about 2.4 times per minute.
• Prevents group members (AE) from being Interrupted due to movement
\aITEM -2145734019 986978742:Troubador's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2149233277

Wizard's Banner of War
War Wizard
• Improves the damage modifier of Fiery Blast by 12%
\aITEM -1754216635 548854282:Wizard's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2540750661

Effects that will either need to be new spells or triggered percentages on focus? not sure what to do with activated ones really... Perhaps a buff with less triggers?

Assassin's Drape of War
Venom Blades
Applies Venom Blades when Activated. Lasts for 30.0 seconds.
• When a combat art is used this spell has a 50% chance to cast Venom Blades on target of combat art.
• Inflicts 45 - 54 poison damage on target
• Inflicts 45 - 54 piercing damage on target
• The casting time of Venom Blades is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 2 minutes 30 seconds
\aITEM -112356769 -172107400:Assassin's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/4182610527

Coercer's Banner of War
Psychic Link
Applies Psychic Link when Activated. Lasts for 18.0 seconds.
• 25% of the damage the coercer inflicts to any enemy will be applied as damage to the target
• Decreases Ability Casting Speed of target by 10.0%
• The casting time of Psychic Link is 0.25 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 3 minutes
\aITEM 1493274156 -1330170714:Coercer's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/1493274156

Conjuror's Banner of War
Warbarrier
Applies Warbarrier when Activated. Lasts for 8.0 seconds.
• Reduces all damage done to target by 100%
• The reuse time of Warbarrier is 5 minutes
\aITEM 631930967 1900565714:Conjuror's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/631930967

Defiler's Banner of War
Spiritshield
Applies Spiritshield when Activated. Lasts for 16.0 seconds.
• Reduces all damage done to group members (AE) by 15%
• The casting time of Spiritshield is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 5 minutes
\aITEM 35538699 -1154979848efiler's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/35538699

Dirge's Drape of War
Death Cheater's Song
Applies Death Cheater's Song when Activated.
• Resurrects all deceased group members within a 25 meter radius of the caster with 100% health and power.
• The casting time of Death Cheater's Song is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 7 minutes
\aITEM -654670565 1014038230irge's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3640296731

Fury's Banner of War
Storm Unleashed
Applies Storm Unleashed when Activated. Lasts for 24.0 seconds.
• On a damage spell hit this spell has a 50% chance to cast Storm Unleashed on target of spell.
• Inflicts 52 - 64 heat damage on target
• Inflicts 52 - 64 magic damage on target
• Inflicts 52 - 64 cold damage on target
• The casting time of Storm Unleashed is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 5 minutes
\aITEM -13016085 -1897754846:Fury's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/4281951211

Illusionist's Banner of War
Alliance of Illusions
Applies Alliance of Illusions when Activated. Lasts for 12.0 seconds.
• Monitors the illusionists power usage. When this effect wears off, 30% of the power used will be restored to the group
• The casting time of Alliance of Illusions is 0.25 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 3 minutes
\aITEM -487308591 148621036:Illusionist's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3807658705

Inquisitor's Drape of War
Warbearer
Applies Warbearer when Activated. Lasts for 16.0 seconds.
• Caster has a 15.0% chance of having one of their weapons' auto-attack strike the target multiple times.
• Gives caster a 100.0% chance to strikethrough a successful avoidance check
• Caster will have their chance to hit with a weapon increased by 100.0%
• The casting time of Warbearer is 0.25 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 3 minutes
\aITEM -550874020 1588684428:Inquisitor's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3744093276

Mystic's Drape of War
Soulbarrier
Applies Soulbarrier when Activated. Lasts for 16.0 seconds.
• Reduces elemental, noxious and arcane damage done to target by 30%
• The casting time of Soulbarrier is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 5 minutes
\aITEM 384232452 275026808:Mystic's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/384232452

Paladin's Banner of War
Sacred Knight
Applies Sacred Knight when Activated. Lasts for 16.0 seconds.
• When the paladin takes damage, they will heal themselves for 110% of the damage amount.
• The casting time of Sacred Knight is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 5 minutes
\aITEM -1408685829 760977469aladin's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2886281467

Shadowknight's Banner of War
Circle of Intimidation
Applies Circle of Intimidation when Activated. Lasts for 8.0 seconds.
• Applies Circle of Intimidation.
• Increases Threat to targets in Area of Effect by 174 - 212
• Increases threat priority of targets in Area of Effect by 3 positions
• Reduces all damage done to caster by 40%
• The casting time of Circle of Intimidation is 0.25 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 3 minutes
\aITEM 151363201 -483964198:Shadowknight's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/151363201

Warden's Drape of War
Call of the Wild
Applies Call of the Wild when Activated. Lasts for 24.0 seconds.
• When a combat art is used this spell has a 50% chance to cast Call of the Wild on target of combat art.
• Inflicts 52 - 64 piercing damage on target
• Inflicts 52 - 64 slashing damage on target
• Inflicts 52 - 64 crushing damage on target
• The casting time of Call of the Wild is 0.5 seconds and the reuse time of the spell is 5 minutes
\aITEM -1834621410 -2101870016:Warden's Drape of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2460345886

Warlock's Banner of War
Acidic Deathcloud
Applies Acidic Deathcloud when Activated. Lasts for 8.0 seconds.
• Applies Acidic Deathcloud on termination.
• This applies every 4 seconds and applies for each target hit by Acidic Deathcloud
• Inflicts 9 - 11 disease damage on targets in Area of Effect
• Inflicts 89 - 109 disease damage on targets in Area of Effect
• Increases Doublecast Chance of caster by 10.0%
• The reuse time of Acidic Deathcloud is 1 minute 30 seconds
\aITEM -1447572835 960801357:Warlock's Banner of War\/a
http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2847394461

No.

Thanks for your input. What particular part do you object to? Usually you have a lot more to say Hammdaddy!

this is an excellent idea and iirc carlos/xander mentioned this last february (pre-DC release) as a future 'sig quest' ? Hasn't revealed itself but indeed with the banked-slot these cloaks took with ToV, it would be nice to have some sort of momento from the unforgettable PoW (nightmare) saga. bump and +1.

hammi don't be a d1k. plox.

The only way this could possibly be a good idea is if they went back and changed all the sucky ones. The cloak effects have always been imbalanced, even after their half-hearted efforts to fix them. Considering how poorly they did with the first round of changes, I don't have any faith in their ability to get them right, so it's best to just let them fade.

1. Not everybody that has Epic Repercussions done had the PoW cloak.
2. If new effect is awarded based on having the PoW cloak (or having a flag on the toon that had it), then would have to go back to OLD content just to get the new effects. I don't want to farm old content, tbh.
3. If PoW cloak effects are awarded to everyone, then that's just a slap in the face for the people that have made the effort and received the cloak.

So ... no. Let it go, If need be, make a new item and have us do CURRENT content to get that new item.

/my 2cp

That's great thinking. Which ones do you have personal experience with that need to be changed?

Letting some of them fade might be a option but there are a few that are going to be best in slot for some classes.

In terms of getting it right perhaps with some constructive feedback from the community there might be some wins for all players.

1 agreed. Sorry, meant more as a updated spell grant with those effects rather than requiring getting pow cloak
2 I don't want to do old content either but right now it is a large advantage to get the cloak on some classes. Would it be better to give more power and ability to everyone or just to make some guilders grind through old stuff? Admittedly it is an edge case but thought that it would be a good thing to increase everyone's power.
3 not sure what you mean here. I have the cloak and I sure don't want to be stuck wearing it into the next six expacks. The gear available now or I the future for that slot will only get better but classes with the needed buffs are stuck.

They already said they weren't doing anything with those cloaks as assuming here it was because they didn't want them so strong that people would have to wear them for awhile. The reason they added the two red slots is so it was worth using over 92 mastercrafted cloaks.

Oh but good job sony in forcing templars to use their cloak forever when necklaces off grendish had oportunity to make Unyielding group wide. \aITEM -1712273602 -868161492:Ethertouched Necklace\/a necks can be changed to class specific and added special effects? Would be cool if eventually we got epic 2.0's tho

I don't really care about the cloak. It's the effect that I care about!

I guess the problem is a few of the buffs are in fact "so strong" that they are required.

When folks who do min/maxing all the time are all wearing the same item, it usually indicates that there's an issue. when I look at a list of a bunch of players I respect, the templars and dirges especially are wearing the cloaks. Necros and wizards frequently as well.

Totally agree that they missed a good chance for this on this item, but to copy/paste the cloak effect would be to tacitly admit that the cloak effect is critical, yes?

Personally, I would rather that Sony replaced some useless Focus effects, or buffed us to Epic 1.3 or even changed dragon aa to have class specifics, or maybe a Sig quest like Clown was talking about? Some option besides having some classes relegated to older content equipment.

tbh not really. it's a good idea for the basis alone that it gives class specific buffs to people. and in the past class specific buffs have been made into spells so we could carry on the stuff. it doesn't matter really that some of them got shafted with sucky ones. the same could be said about the epics tbh. esp now.
I remember people during RoK times that thought the guardian mythical buff was pure garbage. a proc'd CC immunity is unreliable. and it's even worse now in ToV times.

tbh with the new whistle off the first name, and given the state of PoW and it's name, PoW takes ~30 min, and that's mostly due to the running back and forth of the zone. I wouldn't really call it a hassle to run the zone than if you want to get your raid some abilities that are quite good

pretty sure, without any changes to effects even, that 24 people (off night) would go through the trouble to clear PoW for sake of ER 2.0 for entire raid.

Also, at the time of it's tracking (1xpac and 1 update ago), ~60 guilds had cleared PoW. Time it takes is trivial and irrelevant especially given how mythicals still are relevant; see latest released even. So, sorry JanEQ terrible excuse to overlook them.

No. The work isn't going to be done to make the bad ones good, and the vast majority are bad.

OK, Great. Thanks for your input.

Your basic thought here appears to be that it's not right to give some classes great things and give others something lesser? I guess I am not sure what is wrong with one more spell/focus effect/Epic boost etc. granted across all classes? Even if the abilities "are bad" that's still one more new effect.

Because one is bad it make all the others disposable? Obviously now, folks from your guild are wearing the same cloaks.

I guess the point that is trying to be made by your post is a valid concern, that Sony will not make an effort to modify the "bad" spells, but at the same time I know there's a bunch of spells and focus effects that I don't click.

Does the gain of everyone with a spell, some crappy, some not, lower or raise the amount of overall power that the team (i.e. raid force, group, etc) brings to bear? I would think that any change that works towards the collective good would be a good thing.

If the content is made into a quest, it would be self selecting then, right? You don't like the end result? fine, don't run the quest. Just not sure why all others must pay for a few poor choices.

I'd love for it to become a sig quest (I have the cloak and would not mind doing an additional sig quest and wouldn't mind it being accessible to everyone). If they made it a proper sig quest instead of run 3 heroic zones and done, it could justify the dev time to make them all have useful effects. I'm a big fan of long/intricate quests when the reward is something great (especially if it's class defining) which these mythical cloak effects would be (obviously some do need a boost). For me doing a big questline gives a greater feeling of accomplishment than just looting something off a raid mob.


edit: can revolve around PoW lore, reusing old content and presenting it to an audience that didn't see it the first time around is always a good thing... it just sits there otherwise

Thanks for your input.

Personally, I had completely forgotten that there was a mention of making it into a sig quest until Clown mentioned it. I think that at Fan Faire (SOE Live) it was mentioned that Sony did not want to continue doing anything with this, but then later at an itemization panel it was mentioned that there was a possibility of a quest for the effects.

Using PoW lore would be awesome, and is a great concept.

Because there wasn't mention of making it a sig quest, they said it was something they wouldn't do, not something they would.

Every cool item ever turning into a buff is what leads to bad itemization.

Thanks for your input!

I totally agree that every cool item turning into a buff does lead to poor itemization.

There have been precedents for specific effects in the past however, like the conversion of SF/TSO effects into Focus effects or into AA. And obviously, the gold standard of Epic Repercussions for the Epic conversion.

Honestly, my recall over the exact statement at SOE Live is very fuzzy, and your recall of the statement may be completely right. If so, perhaps someone from SOE could state that this is a dead end and I will go my merry way. If however it is something that could be possible I would love some feedback!