New Etyma items.. keyword being "Etyma"

To effectively raid??

You were raiding effectively before they put it in...

This game, and I've said it several times in multiple threads, rewards people for doing more than just one playstyle. If you do heroics as well as raiding, you should be rewarded better than just a raider or just a grouper. Likewise if you tradeskill, you get rewarded more too (lots mote etyma).

Just because you choose to raid only, does not entitle you to the best of everything. One or two things are allowed to be "better" from the other playstyles.

+1

Eh, call me dumb (or too lazy to have researched) but um... HOW do I get the weekly TS missions? I did the Mara stuff and I am a 95 Armorer but I simply cannot find further TS quests for myself.

Captain Ethan in the Nexus tower gives the weekly. If you don't see him you haven't finished the questline yet.

Edit : http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Tears_of_Veeshan_Crafting_Timeline

Sorry but for the most part people that have raided in the past in this game have always gotten whats better without having to group, until this expac.

I dont like to be forced to group, I usually group if I feel like it I am a raider, this is another method for SOE to force raiders to group once more along with the potent gear, the spectral residue bleh bleh If you do groups you can buy this, its to the point of why raid anymore seriously? The prices of these scrolls are too high for their duration why? Because you raiders need to go out there and group to keep our heroic zones from not being empty. I also am not going to run solo zones constantly either thanks but no thanks.

For the most part... as you said. They've been changing it recently.

Fine, I'm sure there's similar stuff you can get through raiding/broker.

No ones forcing you to do anything.

People grouped TSO for rare drops. Najena's Ring anyone?

Yep but that was just one thing which is normal if they do a few things but not an entire expac full.

To get through Accursed Sanctum or Labs you really need the potent gear first(heroic zones) otherwise your gonna hurt badly although maybe some of it is possible w/o this but have fun doing it w/o potent first. (Old way you ran easy mode raid to get the gear to progress to the next area and so on)
The best food/drink drops off pillar mob- once again heroic zones although now you can purchase that with eytma(still have to go get that in heroic or solo zones or tradeskilling).
Scrolls increasing the entire raids health by 10k along with INT etc, this sounds like something I would never need in a heroic zone but a raid zone in my opinion, once again have to do tradeskilling or solos or heroics to purchase these.
I have yet to see a one handed mage weapon in raid we have only cleared all of Labs, Accursed, and on 3rd named in Temple though maybe further along? dunno but the only other way to get one is either go run older raid content or run Labs, or the new fabled for collections(once again heroic zones).
An option for dps set gear(have to run heroics)
EV charm or cuffs with wbd and potency you have to run Dominion( heroic zone)
A lot of the jewelery in the heroic zones is better than what I have seen in the raid zones( not logical at all)
I see raiders that have cleared most of Temple and killed Avatars still wearing heroic jewelery(not logical at all)

There is more but Im not gonna list all of it

They got a little carried away I think.

Maybe I should rephrase that, they are trying to force, because they know that raiders will try to get the best items needed to get through the raid content. Nah you dont have to go out of your way to help your raid but then how far will you get then? If you want your raid to operate efficiently you try to get the best items that you can to do so, so the fact stands, go do heroics to get through your raid content more efficiently.

I mentioned this in a similar post about the new etyma acquired items and it really comes down to balance. These items are not meant for full time consumption but for the times when your group or guild need a little extra push to overcome a challenge. The balance part is a smart move my the dev team to keep players interested in multiple aspects of the game, not just raiding.

I put in the same amount of effort as the OP seeing as how I am in your guild and then I put forth the additional effort to run heroic content to make sure I have the adorns, scrolls etc that I can use to benefit the raid further.

In some cases, you can't have your cake and eat it too!

When you are trying to perform at the top of your class, these items are not considered optional, and making raiders spend Etyma does not make them "interested" in running heroic content, it makes it a chore to do stuff they don't particularly wish to participate in. And we know SOE, once they've added something like this to the game, it is only a matter of time before content is balanced on the assumption of everyone having it.

Ultimately I don't care that I have to spend Etyma to raid, I just think the cost per hour is a little excessive. Doubling the duration, or even better making Etyma drop off raid mobs would be a perfectly good solution. And almost everyone, including non-raiders, would benefit.

My 4 days a week dedicated to raiding is not apparently enough to warrant getting a few Etyma out of those zones. I cant fathom the expectation is that one needs to maintain a raid schedule then log in every off night for at least a few hours running zones.

Once again I am not anticipating to see enough Etyma put into raid zones to swim in them like Scrooge McDuck, just enough to help me get some of these new items a couple times a week. Lockouts are long enough to prevent this in this expansion.

SOE may see a few raiders login more to farm enough to get these items but I doubt it will be in any significant numbers.

If you don't group you won't get the best so far mount in the game. Your lose.

It's funny you say that apparently your 4 days raiding isn't enough. It's not.

How much time is that? 16 hours? Why are you entitled to everything in the game because you log on for 3 hours 4 days a week, follow some instructions and collect your loot?

Did you complain at the start of ToV release that you had to do the solo questlines too?

I want the best gear and stats in the game. Everyone does. But if you can only play enough to raid, you shouldn't get absolutely everything. Why should you have the same stuff as someone who dedicates twice the hours to playing the game? (so therefore can earn some etyma).

I accepted a long time ago that I'm not going to be #1 in my class because of time restrictions. I can't raid every day or at a schedule most top end raiding guilds demand. I'd love to, but I can't, so I've accepted that I won't get best in slot items when they're relevant.

If you're not prepared to do anything to better yourself outside of turning up for raids (and I've met plenty like that), then you need to lower your expectations of what you can get. Only people that truly do everything in this game should and will get all of its rewards.

Do you HAVE to have the new DE items to raid effectively? Newp. ToV was cleared to this point without them in game. (We got 14/15 I believe before they came out). Do they help? Absolutely. So with that in mind, consider this. Is it asking too much for raid mobs to drop DE (I personally don't believe so. With alts/the new items, there will always be a need for the majority of raiders to get etyma anyways)? Will it affect those who only do heroics? Not at all, in my opinion, so why does it matter to people who don't raid? This whole thread comes back to the casuals vs. hardcore, heroic/soloers vs. raiders crap that has been going on since the game released. Grow up and move on. If people get on to ask for stuff, why feel the need to throw your two cents in and whine about them asking for something so simple?

And honestly, do people really think that raiders simply give less time to the game because there is a set schedule? Get real.

FIRST, we have to work our butts off to get the best heroic crap you can get, (working through the sames teirs of gear which people who only solo/group have to get as well, which to be honest, casuals don't honestly have to worry about).
SECOND, we spend week after week, farming the same stuff to get slight upgrades to said stuff, to move on to another zone and get slight upgrades to that gear.
THIRD, we HAVE to farm the same solo crap you do until we get every purple rune we need, because the drop rate in raids/heroics is absurdly low, yet a lot of the effects on purple runes are almost 100% required to have a solid raid force.
FOURTH, oh, you only play 12-16 hours a week... that's our SCHEDULED raid time. Most play that time over and above other play times, reasons for which are covered above. I want people to think for a second. In the vast majority of guilds, you have to have good attendance to get gear. So while you play whenever you want as a non-raider, we've got a time we have to dedicate to making it in game. Some give up time with their families, go without sleep because of their timezones, and any other number of things to be in good guilds. I'm not asking for pity at all, I'm just saying how dare you act like raiders don't put in the work to DESERVE the best gear in game.

Are there people who only log in to raid? Sure. Did they get to be able to do that by ignoring every bit of solo/heroic content (especially in this expansion)? Don't be absurd.

I've played at every level of this game over the years. (Since day three of release). Raiding takes more effort to get the most out of, there's no getting around that.

This comment is directed towards numerous comments in this thread. Feel free to respond, but I won't be bothering to respond. There's a lot of needless animosity towards people who choose to raid asking for ANYTHING.

Edit: Best mount in game comes from clearing ToV second wing, just thought I'd throw that in too since I noticed someone said something about it.

I'll bite, you can choose to respond or not.

You sound like the type that does do a bit of everything. You say you've worked hard to get heroic gear to raid well, farmed AS zones for war runes, etc.

So you should have no problem running a few heroics a week for the etyma needed for these consumables.

I'm the same type of player. I love raiding, but I also love grouping if the rewards are there. I've not been able to raid much this xpac due to my guild falling apart and not being able to find one suitable for my playtimes, but when I do, and I have in the past, I continue doing things outside of raid times.

People that just choose to raid, and do nothing else, should not have access to the best of everything. Raiding is demanding for many, absolutely. It requires team work and coordination above what is required in a group setup. But, for a lot of people it can be an easy ride.

I just don't believe, for a perk that is not essential to beat any content, that a pure raider should automatically have access to. If you can get everything you want from raiding, then it removes any incentive, no matter how small, to socialising with the rest of the server. And for me, that's what makes MMOs interesting.

Besides, you can run the weekly 2 zones in an hour once a week and get 60 etyma, less in a guild group. I imagine that all the dedicated raiders can handle that to better themselves for the benefit of their guild.

Never said I have a problem doing heroic zones. I just don't see why zones where ONE ENCOUNTER can take longer than an entire heroic zone shouldn't drop at least a couple etyma. Not saying every boss should drop 20 or something. Just a token amount. 1- 6 or 7 depending on difficulty and zone shouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. For raiders not gearing up in Mystical armor, considering the rate of red gem drops, it's already costly to upgrade raid armor. If you work on overcharged potent, well still, new raiders have to get fully gemmed potent to upgrade.

Just an idea here, of course... (This is laid out in progression, not mob order in zone)
AS mobs 1-4 = 1 Etyma (Four Custodians)
AS mobs 5-8 = 2 Etyma (Kass, Protector, Sesria/Denani, Sacrificer Buran)
AS mobs 9-11 = 3 Etyma (Matri Marn, Crumbling Emperor, The Legionnaires)

Labs Fabled Mobs 1-3 = 1 Etyma
Labs Fabled Mobs 4-8 = 2 Etyma
Labs Fabled : Lord Vyemm = 3 Etyma

ToV Mobs 1-2 = 2 Etyma
Tov Mobs 3-5 = 3 Etyma
ToV Mobs 6-7 = 4 Etyma
ToV Mobs 8-11 = 5 Etyma
ToV Mobs 12-13 = 5 (or 6) Etyma
ToV Mobs 14-15 = 5 (or 6-7) Etyma

If to go with Elhonna's proposal 3 etymas drop from two last names in AS would be fine, it would be similar to DC names droping three etymas per chest.
All in all running heroics for raiders are what 15 mins at most? Even dominion for some takes like 20 minutes only.

I find this to be somewhat dishonest overall.

For a perk not required to beat content is misleading since one part is never usually required, when you have a sum of all parts it becomes pretty apparent. Purple adorns are best farmed solo, missing 1 not so bad, missing all can be devastating. Up until recently the best left side pieces were heroic drops for 99% of people since gemming wasn't thought through. Now BIS leftside depends on class as scouts are simply messed up overall. Jewelry is just FUBAR this expansion. The vast majority of raid jewelry pieces are outperformed by heroic pieces or are complete side grades.

To gear people up at this point you run 4 zones. Halls, Labs, Dom and contested SoS and you are on par with anyone raiding in this game. This is a terrible tbh. Tell me that you would rather have someone in full AS Leftside/jewelry than someone with full heroic leftside/jewelry.

People are taking this expansion off from raiding cuz they can just go into DOM, with a bot crew (SO EASY) and just make a crapton of plat off of BIS items.

This doesn't make me like to group and it does not make me socialize with other people on the server. The items on the heroic loot tables are so powerful and so rare you think Im going to group with a bunch of random baddies to take longer to clear a zone only to have some 1mil parsing wizard take stuff i need to actually play content the item should have been designed for to begin with?

My thoughts exactly.......just better said that I would have =P

Too many BIS items coming our of stupid easy heroics and contested SoS just kills the desire to spend the effort and time that is required of raid encounters. Time -vs- Reward is bad design disproportionally benefiting the wrong segment of players...........it should be 'risk/effort/difficulty' -vs- reward.