So, I'm gonna break it down real slow. You people bashing Arica, or any other fury who actually does their full job as a healer/dps (like myself), need to get a clue. You honestly think that as a priest...a priest that can outparse utility classes in some situations, as a priest that was given DPS endlines, and has enough nukes on their hotbar to choke someone, that your job doesn't also entail learning how and when to use those abilities? Are you blindly assuming that when Arica is talking about being out of power that she's still nuking and running infusion? Get a clue. I believe I'm the oldest raiding fury left in this game, and still maintain the largest player-made guide to the class on the internet. I've been playing this toon for 8 years. Let me tell you something. If you're limited to only healing, because you either can't multitask, or think it's a detriment to your class, you are playing the wrong class in all honesty. If you aren't dpsing your little heart out at every opportunity, you are a waste of a group/raid slot.Literally half of our overall utility outside of actually healing, is dps. Probably more than that, because our debuffs are terrible. The vast majority of mobs are fighter mobs, guess what stat they use as their primary... I'll give you time... Strength! That's right, the one offensive stat we cannot debuff. Moving on. Wisdom debuff...really? Please. Agility debuff... it's rarely needed. Check the buff packages on some mobs before you try defend our USELESS stat debuff. Casting skill/group interrupt. Have you played since T5? THESE DO NOTHING TO RAID MOBS. Moving on. The only use for that debuff is proccing PoTM/PoM. Feast...the spell we've been trying to get changed for years... It is a good stat increase...that is it. The heal means NOTHING. If that terrible heal was changed to a lower amount of power regen, it would round us out as a hybrid class. If you aren't having power issues, it's because you aren't do anything worthwhile. Grats, you hit Shell, and stood there waiting for it to drop so you can cast two group cures and an occasional spot heal. I can personally keep my group green 95% of the time simply off of group cure heal procs, gear procs, and SR, which hits for more like 30-35k per target nuked when it triggers, for the whole group. Try topping a raidwide heal parse, doing 30-40% more cures than the next closest healer in raid, outparsing most, if not all of the Utility classes in the raid, while getting flawless kills on hardmode mobs. Then you can talk about how much you know about the class, and not be laughed at by people who know better. On a lot of fights, heck, on the vast majority of fights, I am almost completely self sufficient on power, but the few nasty power draining fights out there leave a fury helpless at the worst of times occasionally. The fixes to this are easy, make Animal Form useful on those fights by making it proc on spell casts, which is needed because almost every time there is a power intensive fight, you aren't going to be running in to melee, especially as a solo healing fury. You're paying more attention to your power bar than a chanter, running through every trick in the book.OR, make feast a group buff and even a single target power regen, like Inquest originally was. Heck, someone above said make us proc power on nukes like wardens proc power on heals. Any of those would make the situation better. If you are lucky enough to run in a raid that is coercer heavy, you might get flows often enough to stay on top of things, but when you aren't, and you run a balanced raid that emphasizes mage dps, you'll have only one or two coercers, and things get iffy at that point. All this, to tell a few people who think they know better that we DO have power issues, if you bother to play the class to its fullest. I'm done here, I'm sure there's some rage inc., but I really don't care. I felt the need to post this spiel because you guys are treating Arica like she's not a solo healing fury in the guild that has been neck and neck with the #1 raiding guild in the world for a long time. No one's perfect, but don't come here spouting your pitiful 'we're healers, not dps' crap when the truth of the matter is you are simply to lazy or unskilled at pressing a few buttons to do better on your class.
seems some folks are pretty hostile here, between the calling me honey like a truckstop waitress and poster above trying to give us a guide on how to play just because we don't have power issues. We can all agree we have different playstyles. But ripping on other furies will not get your point across. Stating the basics is all that counts. This forum should be here to help each other. I state why I dont use the infusion that as labeled power hog and spend my points in the healing lines when raiding and tough instances. You want to try to compete with dps classes as a hybrid thats great! but don't knock the chanters. Find a solution for better power management
believe it or not, but i'm actually pretty easy to get along with & helpful. anybody who's talked to me in game, on these forums, or on the fury forums on flames, knows this. i'm also one of the people who has posted year after year, pm'ed devs, took part in an invite only forum with devs because of my knowledge of my class & game mechanics, just to help get issues on the class fixed & to give my input to the current state of the class & the upcoming changes. i just have issues with people who tell me that there's no way possible that me or any other of my class could be having issues because they don't have them, so we're not playing it right, when we're posting about the #1 issue that the class has had for several xp's, which we're trying to get FIXED. i have spoken to at least 100 furies over the yrs in game & on the forums about MANY different issues to get their input on ideas & power has been the #1 problem with every single one of them. rather, you speak about the how dumb it is to run infusion or having energy line maxed or even to dps at all, or how you MUST have the wis line in order to raid. i advise you to check out a site called eq2flames. the fury boards there are kept up by a VERY good fury & a very good friend of mine. she has it very organized with very informative posts about fury information, spells, specs, playstyles, how to get the most out of the the class, gear, adorns, etc. you would be amazed how many furies agree with elhonna, aneova & me, also how these furies are in quite successful raid guilds with completely different mindsets/playstyles than you. & yes, like elhonna said, the fights that are extreme on power, we do NOT run infusion & we're purely healing & we're out of power after a just a few heals/cures. they're THAT bad & we have NO way to maintain because our chanters can't even keep us up (& i have a REALLY good illy in my group). i use ALL my clickies (pots, manastone, power roots, overclocked manastones, signets, etc), & power proc gear that i know how to use...but...you don't have those issues because you haven't even seen those encounters & you probably never will, so why am i even wasting my time trying to explain something to people who will obviously not want to or even come close to understanding.
How about we shift the discussion to Animal Form? This is a nice spell that could do a lot with a bit of change. Right now it is useless to priests due to the "no beneficial spells" aspect, except during TS and lulls between aoes. Workable, but still a pita sometimes. No priest in raid wants me to cast this on them even if they are desperate for power. For mages, with the advent of spell auto attack, it is rather useless. They will not proc power or the damage unless they switch to melee auto and move closer to the mob. It has been a Necromancer Lifeburn booster only spell for quite a while now, which imo is a tragic waste. Removing the detriment to priests, opening it up to proc off spell damage, and also getting rid of the class restriction to use on fighters and scouts too would make this an extremely versatile spell. It would help to make up for our extremely shoddy rezzes. Here, have a terrible rez and Animal Form. Now go in and dps your power back along with the increased hp and mit.
LMAO !!!! Gotta love it, complaining about making false assumptions while being classic examples of doing just that. Classic just classic.
Elhonna pretty much sums it up for me. We can do alot of things well and manage to do them all together with enough work. Unfortunately, the power inefficiency seems to be the cost of our versatility.
Gotta love it, people without a clue willing to settle for being mediocre at best judging those who do anything and everything necessary to be tops in their class.
Would help a little, if you could self rez with it ala Immaculate Revival at will instead of after a set time, yes. The truth of the matter though, is that most of the time, it would only be useful for rezzing up after a failed pull. The reason I say that is the simple fact that the rest of the line is just terrible for raiding. Obfuscation doesn't work on raid mobs, and runspeed is never an issue on fights. If you're running too slow, pop cheetah. Most furies already have higher in-combat speed than everyone else in raid anyways. As far as rebirth, yes it can be useful on a rare occasion when you die and need to get up quickly because everyone else is busy or whatever, but in the normal scheme of things, you're only dying if things are going horribly wrong to start with. Sure, if you're completely anti-dps it could seem like a good option, but I guess that's up to the player. I personally prefer pushing every aspect of my character. I meant to say this in the other post, but for the record. Any fury in endgame gear has no problem with healing a group fully without taking every healing AA. Hibernate=full group heal. Untamed Regeneration=full group heal. Autumn's Kiss = Full group heal by the third tick of the regen, which is 2ish seconds after you cast. For single target healing it's the same deal. Back into the Fray and Elixir are both big enough to take a tank from red to full. All in dps stance. It's a balancing act. You either focus on one or the other (dps/healing), or you get good enough at both to do both. The class is so much more satisfying when you do everything it's capable of, at least in my, and other top furies' opinions. I've been one of the biggest fury advocates around for years, and just want the best for the class. If you like playing as a full healer and don't want to dps, fine. But don't bash the true hybrid furies that want glaring issues fixed at endgame level play. When you get into the last few mobs in PoW, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you did Vallon in Drunder HM months ago, you'd know what I'm talking about.
I animal form the illy or coercer if a necro isn't present or the conjy's mage pet. I get lots of <3 for that!
Its is clear ericajade and ellohna are from eq2flames by the way they flame other furies and put off the illusion that they are the best furies. Try and remember and conceive that other furies here who have played since launch, I see a few may have a clue by now how to play there class. This game isn't rocket science. You will not survive this expansion if your going to preach to have low mana or else your not doing it right. It's a big mana drainer in many raids and instances. And while your playstyle is different, because you claim the rest have no clue and propably never will so your wasting your breath here, maybe you are wasting your breath here. Because frankly the way you put things your posts belong over at flames where your used to posting elhonna and erica I agree rebirth needs tweekin and very good points were brought up about animal form. I don't agree my fury has power issues.
As far as playstyle - to each their own. However, to pretend that either Elhonna or AricaJade just came out of the woodwork, would be disingenuous at best. Elhonna is not an "eq2flames" poster that decided to just start posting in the official forums. Up until they archived the official forums a couple weeks ago, I believe Elhonna may have had the most posts on the official fury boards. She also maintained a very detailed guide to the class for years on those same forums. I personally have played a fury for years and have learned a great deal from both AricaJade and Elhonna's posts. I agree with both of them that 320 AA points is plenty to serve multiple functions. Spec'ing as a healer or dps kind of defeats the purpose of this class. We're capable of both and should be doing both. The only exception may be with the new prestige abilities, you may want to have a spec with the left side of the prestige tree for solo healing difficult zones/encounters. As for power issues, we have no class specific method to regain power after a huge power drain. Most other classes have some way to deal with this in a manner much more realistic than animal-form. Yes we have clarity potions, overclocked mana-stones, etc. but so do all other classes. I'm sure Arica and Elhonna were a little put off that after years of writing guides, offering advice, and generally being regarded as the best of their class, people were telling them to switch classes for their lack of knowledge. I happen to believe that I understand more about under water propulsion than most swimmers. That doesn't mean I'm about to tell Phelps to get out of the pool. His medal count alone should let me know that the pool is where he belongs. The proof is in the pudding - just look at either of these fury's stats and gear and it should be apparent that they have played at the highest levels of the game I would also like to mention that many many players visit both the official boards and the flame boards as I do.
I think I come off as abrasive because people think I'm bragging. To an extent I am, but the underlying point to anything I say about our class is about potentials. Whether it be parsing close to a million dps or sustaining 50k hps, all I am attempting to do is enjoy the game, and when I post here about things, to show people what the class is capable of, outside their sometimes limited points of view. I have been teaching new furies how to play the game for years, and I understand people don't always have the focus or ability to play the way I and a few other furies do. This is ok. Aeronaut: As far as surviving an expansion? Are you serious? I am where I am because I am good at every aspect of my class. I can keep my power up, but it's a much more annoying job than on most of the healer classes. I just happen to be able to do 2 or 3 other things at once while keeping my group alive, as opposed to the pure healing garbage you're posting about and supporting. I said above, it's fine to be mediocre if that's your idea of a fun time. Feel free to ignore me. I am posting for those who want to do better, and have more, which ultimately most people do. No one enjoys a class/game that stagnates, and sitting here saying people should play the class the same way, with the same limitations, as 8 years ago is so deluded it's staggering. The class would still be terribly underpowered if I and a few other vocal furies hadn't pushed for changes over the years. I raided pretty much every teir starting with T5, in one capacity or another. I had times where I only had time to do some heroic grouping. Never once have I sat there and not tried to get better at the class. I showed people on Blackburrow and Everfrost that furies could solo heal group instances that duos of healers couldn't heal. That's what I emjoy. It's why I've stuck with a class many felt was underpowered for years since shortly after launch. I almost forgot this, but if you've been playing since launch, then you'd know that the Fury was originally designated as THE OFFENSIVE HEALER. We have been given buffs and abilities to support that role over the years, and a refusal to do anything with them just strikes me as ludicrous if you are going to continue playing a fury. Wardens get double deathsaves and stoneskins, we get nukes and fire and forget heals so we can continue doing dps. How damn hard is it to figure out. I rolled this class to be the premier dpsing healer, not some scrub wannabe warden with half the healing utility. Edit: I also said I was the oldest raiding fury left in game, not the oldest fury period. I played as a conjy from three days after launch until 12/5/04, so about 3-4 weeks. The rest of that time, other than a short stint as MT on my alt guardian, this toon has been my main. I'm done replying to idiotic comments like yours, if anyone else has pertinent information to share or debate, I'll gladly give what I see as the strengths and weaknesses of suggestions or existing spells/abilities. Again, if you don't like me or my posts, you're welcome to ignore me. Also, thanks Scythe. It's nice to know at least someone here has noticed the years of effort I've put into giving free information and help to those trying to better themselves.
Unfortunately, I'm living it. Ever since I played around with Rebirth, I've become the default raid rezzer after a wipe. I tried going back to my old spec but recovering from wipes ended up taking much longer. So, I took one for the team so we could spin back up faster after a wipe. I almost never die during the fights so just about every death is when a wipe occurs and the encounter usually resets <5s after I drop. Typically, if I do die during the fight and I do want to get back into the fight, the 5s seems like an eternity. So, I'm all for making it a clicky activation instead of a timer. I also posted on this in coe beta but there wasn't an official response.
I am still getting a good chuckle at the lack of reading Comprehension and tossing attitudes for misassumptions. BTW its the attitudes i have been slapping down (by giving it back and pointing out what should have been obvious), doesn't matter what cudos and acculades a person has, when they treat others like crap because they have delusions of granduer, they invite such in return. Let me spell it out slowly... Feel free to go back to all my posts, did i say anywhere, did i even hint that a fury shouldn't dps? Since you missed it the first time, let me repeat it, if you are out of power because you are dpsing and have no power to heal your group YOU are wrong. Don't go blaming other classes cause they aren't bowing on their knees to see that you have all the power you want whenever you want, when another player who is also a healer, or a real dpser needs power at the same time? They have their own priorities, and if they dont include your dps OH WELL. Would it be nice if SOE took away that henderance? you betcha. Where in that says you shouldnt dps? where in that did you make all the other very misguided assumptions? Wait, i know, its because i DARED challenge, and yes i will continue to do so when you spew nonsense. I am not one concerned with "Image" or what others might think, i have better prorities lol. But i do love a good debate :> Then you wonder why i have ben laughing so hard. And to think that made you go off on some oh i think i am a God complex. You are not. You may or may not be the best fury in the game, its irrelevant if you are wrong, but your isolinear perspective definately down plays any accomplishments. What do i mean by that? You need to step back to the days when you weren't in a top raiding guild (and anyone who isnt is unworthy apparently is the attitude thats been spread) and remember how the dynamics differ at those stages. Some of us haven't forgotten. Having top gear (and yes i must admit it is nice to have it) doesn't mean the group members a fury heals have said gear, or don't go stealing aggro at every opportunity from the tanks, and yes *pout* you may need to give up some dps to make sure they stay alive. You may have to give up some DPS to cross heal and cure. Not every player is at the top of their game everytime and you as a healer must make sacrifices to make sure the others stay alive, even if it means tossing heals and cures to other groups non stop that results in *pout* low dps. Likewise its the raid leader that should decide what role a fury plays. ie DPS (wait... different classes do better at that), put in a solo healer who focuses on healing so we can have a extra slot or two for real dps (or utility if its needed). As it is there are 3 basic roles for a fury, HEALER, DPS(medium) and toss occasional cures/heals, or hybrid. A fury should DPS when it does NOT Compromise his healing role if thats the role they are playing. If you are so focused on DPS then another class is your best bet, otherwise DPS is icing on the cake and we all love to do it. but the way yall write, if people dont bow down to your way they are worthless, and its that attitude that lowers your worth.
No one said we were out of power because of dpsing. We said on extreme power drain fights where we do nothing but cure and heal we still get taken to no power simply because we don't have a good tool for self power regen. Learn to read. I've never asked my chanters to bow to me and do twice their job, the things I'm asking for is to take the load off of them somewhat on specific fights. We don't have a clicky group cure that costs no power. And we are 99% of the time grouped with an Illy, who doesn't have nearly the power regen power a coercer does. And for giggles I did go back and read all your posts on this topic. You've added nothing but jibes at people to the conversation. At least I bother to explain why and how I do what I do, and reasons for wanting the changes asked for. Seriously, just troll someone else, I have neither the patience nor a good reason to trade insults with you. Especially considering unless you jumped guilds recently, you've never experienced the pain that is power draining on the harder PoW mobs. For the record, I do give up dps to heal and cure, it's why I have flawless achievements on almost every mob I've killed. I can push well past t2 dps and close in our T1 dps if that's all I do. Trust me, I know my role. As far as forgetting my roots? I have been like this even when I could only solo and occasionally do heroic instances... I push the class for all I can regardless of my gear.
Was going to add one more thing, but I ran out of edit time. I have taken friends' furies and logged them in because they couldn't figure out why they couldn't do more in either dps or healing, pushed their toons to more than twice what they previously were doing dps wise, and saw where gear choices/reforges/AA/lack of tinkering were lacking for helping them keep people alive, and helped them get better. So I have not forgotten what it's like to play with much lesser gear than my own. It's not a god complex, it's knowing I've put in the countless hours sitting in guildhalls killing dummies so that dps cycles can be used without thought, interwoven with my healing and curing, and having the raid experience to know when things are appropriate. Also having the raid experience to know when I need to be able to dps to charge Protective Instincts so my all important mage dps lives through hard hitting AoEs. For the last time, I am not asking for something that wouldn't benefit furies in every tier. Lower level furies have even more issues with power because they don't have access to the tools and gear that higher leveled toons do. In closing, giving Animal Form the ability to be procced with spell casts and not stifle beneficials would do a few things: 1. Help us on ranged fights with power regen. 2. Help other healers get power back after they die or get hit with curses that full-drain their power. 3. Help our ability to solo heal by giving a larger health pool more often when we're actually doing quick bursts of dps to charge PI on mana heavy fights. 4. Help with aggro control with mages if needed on mem wiping mobs...remember Animal Form procs deaggro as well. (Probably 35k in raid per hit on every mob hit, bout 31k solo). 5. A nice dps boost due to the proc hitting every target nuked for 15-20k. The extra utility would be great. That's all. Yes I get aggressive when people say things like 'healers shouldn't dps or spec for dps'. Which strangely enough, you weren't even talking about, nor was I responding to you about that. I think the only response I made to you before these two posts was a snarky reply to your snarky comment much earlier in the thread.
We rarely have any real power issues, when they exist its becauseof the actual encounter itself. Rather than asking to change the class (yes more power regen would be nice, but not necessary) rather it would be better to ask them to make something evailable for the specific encounter. Chest drops with power items, or a encounter buff that triggers more power regen on cures/heals.
as for trolling, i don't troll, but i do snipe/assassinate when i see someone going after someone else because they didnt proverbally bow down. I usually could care less what peoples opinions are, or if they are a @$$. lmao i would never have time to raid/play if i did. As it is i rarely ever pay attn to channel chats, and have no quarms tossing someone on the ignore list if they push the envelope. (ie where its obvious its a lack of character rather than just being grumpy or in a bad mood) I dont bother telling them that i did, i dont care, they simply get added. Difference of opinions are a good thing, not that you (generalized), allows growth to consider opposite sides, alternatives, Not that one would come to that conclusion easily these days with all the spite online (online in general) to anyone that disagrees with another. Nor do I care if people play their toons a way i dont agree is best. They aren't there for me, or the community as a whole, they are there for their own purposes. If they are that bad they will either learn or be kicked.
Why do that, though? In the case of the gear, you're looking at being limited to farming something that may have a terrible drop rate, whereas with the power regen on heals thing, why even have the power drain in the first place? I'd personally like the buff or another one changed because it involves the player intelligently using it, not having control taken away by the game or hoping for random item procs.
