If you can't belive it Nerid.. just check out my gear on eq2players. And no, I am not in an "uber avatar killing guild", we raid on the weekends only, have not killed any avatars at all. Further, I would like to point out that avatar killing warlocks who managed to get some sweet gear from them, does around 17-19k zonewide on palace trash, and most of them have spiked over 20k on single mobs. So, you see, I am far behind thoose guys in my dps.. Dakkota, enlighten me about the numbers if I am wrong, I know you have a good warlock in your guild. And to answer Primalooze... no, our assassin dont do 5k more dps then me on 95% of the pulls.. if he sucks or not I can't answer, nither do I care. I use the spells and tools given to me as a warlock and focus on them, I dont care what other classes parses.