I don't recall even an implication that MT was difficult....what I said is that zerker has never been a faceroll sit on the keyboard and win tank...but...whatever.
The implication is that you think anyone can tank by rolling their face on a keyboard or sitting on said keyboard and it work. Stop talking like that and people won't assume you have no idea what you are talking about. Paladin and Guard are easy to hold aggro on, all the others take plenty of skill to play well. Matter of fact I'd put Zerker after that---we have two easy----wait OMG FACEROLL buttons (Battle Frenzy and Gibe) and Adrenaline is still a decent buff---for Off tanking. It's an awful buff for MTing. And if I have to explain why then just stop posting...
I fail to see how you could even make the conjecture that anything a zerker has could be good or bad for MTing since you have explicitly stated you grown ups are going to use the zerk for its intended purpose of OTing...unless you've already grown above the idea that what some red name who likely doesn't even know much of anything about the classes decides your toon is intended for, is all there is.
Battle Frenzy---heals on hit. Better for getting hit by multiple targets, or just one? check Adrenaline----better for taking small hits or big hits? check Oh yeah how many stone skins do we have? One, only good for physical damage Have you even looked at how bad our single target combat arts are, damage-wise? Are you sure you have ever played this class? It's not about who CAN, because anyone CAN. The question is "Who is best for the job?" and if you can't understand that the game developers have 100% control over what a class can and can not do then bro I'm sorry.
I have played this class since the game launched. and if all you can do is look at what something LOOKS like it can do and be stuck, then you are the one with problems. Again, I go back to tanking on a brigand in RoK, even NOW brigands have some of the worst AoE dps in the game, but a little bit of skill made it MORE then viable, and even DESIRABLE. Now, I still fail to actually SEE why I should STOP trying to be MORE then what the class APPEARS it can be, or some red name THINKS the class should be, and not BE better. I know this class, I know how abysmal the flat out DPS on them is, especially the single target; change and adapt bro, learn to be better, overcome, if you can't do that, you have no business playing this class anyways, let alone trying to give any real advice here.
Not quite off topic but a slight change of attitude. Did anyone else look with some pleasure at the current replys for this topic ( of the 4 up at the moment ) At least as player registered atm go just our attention and banter here alone shows we care more for zerks then the others care about their class ( well that is how I am viewing it currently ) Now as to the current discussion I kinda agree with Faala, why go with just what the devs who do not even bother playing our class try to set us up as. Granted we may not be the auto goto MT thought. But who is to say we cannot try and improve our game play by making requests for 1 route over the other. For what they are trying to put us why even give us a Def stance then? To me we should have the Def stance as our best option for pulling the MT role with more durability. Off Stance as OT with the higher DPS to grab the aggro better ( or increased widespread taunt ) more so then what it currently is. Again I make most of my opinions based off the heroic gear equipped person or only a few raid pieces in general. So that alone might be what creates a few different view points of how the zerk feels / plays.
Okay dude. Go main tank. Have fun. Go to Flames and under the LFGuild section put Berserker Main Tank. Get laughed at more. Then come back and 'pologize to good ol' Tek. The only guilds you will MT for as a Zerk are awful ones, or ones who simply do not have other more viable MTs. Of the six fighters, every guild in the game will take a Zerker #6 to MT-----and that has nothing to do with my perception of the class.
Lol dude stop being a little girl. I've played this game long enough to know that player skill only goes so far when it comes to class roles. Dirges won't beat my brigand, just as my brigand won't beat Assassins. Just because I can beat one assassin that doesn't know how to play does not mean all Brigs are better DPS than assassins. And you are just an in denial if you think we have the tools that brawlers and Guardians have to take more damage and absorb big hits and eat AoE's. I didnt devise these class roles, SoE devs did. We are amazing off tanks and weak MTs. MT all you want, just know that you are holding whatever gimpy guild you are MTing for back by not betraying.
and your holding this entire class back by not striving to be better. The intended role all the way through from the beginning was for ALL tanks to be VIABLE in ALL tank positions. Some redname during SF decided to just tell you zerkers are intended to be OTs, not MTs...great, probably another newb dev that came around with SJ to muck up the game and help drive it into the ground. There is currently NO reason why any tank can't be an MT, and if they are well played and actually KNOW HOW to play their class in that role, they won't be holding anyone back. As for classes DPSing...my troub is almost always top 1/2 on the parse in groups, regardless of who else is there. Fairin out parses people by an even larger gap on his troub. I do 2-3X+ the dps of similarly geared troubs while still fulfilling my primary utility role. Player skill and knowledge IS the bridge on that gap, and gear is the icing on the cake. So again...take your intended roles and shove it, some of us actually have the means and potential to be more then a little person with our toons. Take some pride in your class, and stop holding it down.
actually...I'm done with this....after looking you up on eq2wire...between your gear..and lack of stats, learn your class, its no wonder you can't break out of the OT role.
This is a funny lil response, since you hid yours---and my Zerk has better gear than your apparent main...And I know I have way more experience. I no longer main the Zerker, simple as that. I still know the class better than almost everyone here. So find someone else to troll. Edit: Oh I found you, or at least it has to be you. Weird name, girlfriend... Pretty funny to call a guy on his gear, when I can call you out on gear and AA choices both. Arena Endurance is pretty swank tho, good call at jumping all over that...
Zerkers need more HP, otherwise SK will always be a better OT choice, my SK in the same gear has about 20k more health, which makes him able to survive hits a zerker would fall upon. OTs Take "more" damage then Main Tanks.
OTs do take more damage. It's just smaller bits, nothing that will one-shot a properly geared Tank... Battle Frenzy is better than their max HP for off tanking.
Pretty sure Osanpo has their Berserker/Guild Leader main tank and they're...5/7 PoW? I could be wrong, though.
I don't doubt this at all Buffrat (altho that guy on EQ2U isn't tanking anything, could be hiding his main for some reason). I never said it couldn't be done, just saying it's not ideal. Also not a good idea to MT without a dirge. Sure it can be done, but it's not the best way to do it. Some classes get Guardian Sphere or Tsunami. We get Juggernaut. Heck we dont even have a class-specific Strikethrough-immune temp buff!!! Maximizing your role is usually a better goal. Take CoE on your Brig or Swashy if no one else has it, etc.
I'd have to agree with this from my own personal experience playing all four plate tanks. I've never played a Brawler though I have seen them do some amazing things.
If that's so simple, give us a link to an official page or post that reflects that point of view. Otherwise you're just mixing up common misconceptions with facts.
Without taking time to read the entirety of this forum the person commenting Berserkers should be MT's has officially pissed me off. You want to MT as a Warrior? TRY BEING A GUARDIAN we got **** this expansion so stuff it. There is a reason there are Archtypes to a class Berserkers are AE-Damage based Off-Tanks meaning they grab ALOT of stuff to keep the group/raid from dying while the defense based Guardian or Monk holds the main boss to prevent it from killing your or the raids collective behinds. I am tired of all the offt-tank based classes saying they should be MT's there are classes for that and slowly but surely you guys's ******** has been ruining the MT classes I wouldn't be surprised if CoE makes the collective Guardian count drop to <50 instead of <150 (this is based off an old number possibly) *Rant over* That aside yes Berserkers have had lackulster kits for even their real job (Off Tank) for most of DoV and they need some help but destroying guardians or other tanks is not the way to do it. I do not play a Zerk and won't profess ideas for your kit all I do know is from the standpoint of the other Warrior class who has pretty much been 2nd fiddle since RoK for MT'ing any non-deathshot encounters it feels like Warriors in general are being left behind again and not just Berserkers. Now excuse me and I shall read the rest of this forum post. Alright now after having read the full of the forum mind the snipyness of the above words I as a mained guardian since late-TSO have been sad by the lackluster treatment of BOTH Warrior archetypes. With dps having gone up as much as it did I feel I don't have the utility to even hold aggro anymore since Monks seem to have more than enough dps and hate to do both jobs just fine. Both classes need some reworking Zerks need to be comperable to Crusaders for AE-hate control its what they were built for or intended for. Guards are the single-target defense-utility version of the Warrior but even then they need some help too. Brawlers have been the favored tank by many guilds for roughly 3 expansions now (Since SF) from my gameplay experience. Sony is indeed archtype casting classes otherwise there is not much difference in the fighter classes. Perhaps when I have more relevant input I will put up something more than just a mindless seething rant of emotional outbursts.
