The class that currently generates the most hate needs more hate? Woah. I'll agree on Adrenaline's power drain being dumb with all the power drains in PoW, though.
I won't agree we need power regen (that's for utility classes), but we could use less power loss. The power loss from Adrenaline is unacceptable these days. And we just got a lot of DPS gain, are you sure we need more Hate?
Not you again. We don't really need HP buffs. I'd like them too, sure, but we don't NEED them. Until adds start one-shotting you, it won't be NEEDed. We are OT's.
OT??? We're a tank...and as such should be just as capable of MTing as any other tank, so if were getting 1 shot being equally geared to another tank that doesn't, then we do need HP buffs, or something....that said.... I agree on the power loss, we have the worst power management of all fighters, period. second, can we have SOMETHING done about our pathetic hit rates?? even with +wep skills and accuracy our hit rates are abysmal by comparison to ANY other class.
Guessing you are new to EQ2~~~Sony has typecast us as off tanks only since like Sentinel's Fate. I don't like it either but dem's the brakes bro.
Our hit rates really aren't that different. Monks get the 50% strikethrough from their myths and I think crusaders get a 10 or 15% strikethrough or accuracy aa (as well as cf temp).
Just to chime in here. Just curious where we got all this additional DPS from that you mentioned Tek? I am asking as someone that is not a raider so mostly Heroic/SS Faction geared. ( odd work times now mostly prohibit that as not many places start raiding at about 10pm CST ) To me the hit rates or not too bad, what I would like to see is them adjust recklessness a little to where it has a clause of arch-type is warrior ( Guard/Zerk ) it improves our base dmg amt by xxx since most our dmg is Auto. To me that would allow me then to get something to actually care about using that stance. Beyond that, allow Def stance to have a bit more durability in place of health. For as I see it if we are able to suck up the dmg better, having lower health is not as much of an issue. Plus more of a reason to use Def as a tank. Sadly I feel this is mostly wishful thinking since the devs have had a proven hatred of us for too long now to really see them put us up on par to MT Raids like the other classes. I mean if they really are gonna relegate us to OT at best, atl east give us a bone to put more dmg and increased hate en-mass.
Cala, I wanna punk you for not being in the know, but there is this Beta thing going on right now. So here ya go mate: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2old/posts/list.m?topic_id=523563
new? hardly, we were awesome tanks from the beginning, even after GU13 and the initial combat overhaul, it took some regetting used to the playstyle, but we were still very formidable tanks, KoS/EoF we were again, very formidable, and good at tanking (can't speak for DoF, I was on hiatus during that one), RoK we lost alot of love in survivability, sure, we could hold aggro better then anyone on an AoE bit, but our hit rates went down the crapper, the love we got from adrenaline was promptly shut down, no longer flat 50% damage reduction but instead instantly heals 50% damage, and at an insane power cost, but atleast THAT cost was mitigated by our resists...then that got nerfed too. TSO we had time to shine, and were again top of the line and well worth our salt. So no, I'm not new, and I will not sit by and be type cast as an OFF tank, my monk is a fighter, my zerk is a fighter, my sk is a fighter, my bruiser is a fighter...fighter=tank, all tanks are capable MT, yes some are better then others, but I still fail to understand the TYPECAST of an OT. Sony hasn't typecast us, we've just never been FOTM tank, rarely get any real love, usually get what little love is given nerfed into oblivion, and have to work harder then any other tank to be on par with them. Be a better zerker, don't settle for OT, be better then the MT and take the spot, you have the means to abilities to be a perfectly good MT, FOTM we will never be, but we NOT a strict OT, that typecast problem is a pebkac.
LMAO Tek, thats just it thats Beta I was not counting it as a source and mostly going with the Live feel. I have been hearing good things from the Beta though but still think we could use some work to be a MT. Meaghan I do know od TSO, thats the point the Devs made Crusaders their Tank love child, and seemed to have really burying the hatchet into a zerks backside. I still swear the only reason we are still around, is because they do not seem able to delete a class, thank goodness.
Thanks for the history lesson, cool story. And I wish we were more viable MT's but the red names came down and flat out said we weren't meant to Main Tanks. It's why we don't get max health buffs or viable stoneskins. It's been this way since SF, regardless of what it's been in the past (I MT'd avatars in TSO with Zerker np back then.). So keep thinking its a pebkac if that makes you feel better, us grown ups are going to try and make the class better at its' "intended" role.
Well man it doesn't make sense to complain about something we already are getting. And you guys are crazy if you think Zerks weren't amazing in TSO
you can forego the childish jibes, I know plenty well what the zerker is often considered to be for, and I also know what it can do. In the right hands a zerker is a MORE then formidable MT, even in current raid content, players simply won't give it a chance because of the very attitude you have. I was told in RoK I couldn't be a tank on my brigand, but I tanked every heroic instance and most of the raid content while it was current as a brigand. Its just a matter of desire, your content to be a second class tank, fine, I don't have to be.
I don't think the problem is that zerkers can't MT. Any tank can MT with the right set up. The problem highighted by TSO is that zerkers have never been the best at being MT. SOE just doesn't view them as a primary choice for MT and the class is treated as such. When SOE thinks MT, they think guardian, shadow knight, or even brawler and that view gets passed on to the playerbase which is truly a shame.
^^^ this, exactly. Zerks have never been a face roll easy mode tank, its always been harder to be good at tanking on a zerk then anyone else, doesn't mean we're any less capable, just takes a higher caliber of player to be successful.
Pretty sure SOE doesn't see SKs as a main tank. If I had to guess it's more like Guardian/Paladin/Monk MT and Berserker/SK/Bruiser OT. Any tank can do all the current content in either MT or OT role. Some are just better than others. Some there just aren't any/are very few good players playing the class as a main (I believe the only Berserker main that's killed more than 2 mobs in PoW is in Osanpo on Sebilis server.)
I love that you think being an "easy mode tank" is one who MTs. There is no position in a raid more easy to play than MT. Ours watches TV more than he watches the game. Off Tanking is where the pros are found.
