Haven't thought about sustained dps in a while. I want to say that FD would be better assuming you have the mana but I'm not sure. It could be interesting to parse. My main reason is that the damage modifier is meaningless if we're not getting crits so keeping the crit chance as high as possible is way more important than anything else. Also, with twincast using 2 FD counters I think it makes sense to use Arcane Destruction with IC and then switch to FD. That way you'll get more casts overall with the really high crit chance? Maybe it's obvious but I was just thinking about that after reading some other posts and assuming that bug doesn't get fix that quickly.
my highest crit only using abilities available to wizard class is 493k from sustained. Frenzied highest was 486....
When you right-click on the FD buff what version does it say? It should be Frenzied Devastation XVIII. The numbers you're posting and the mana usage you're seeing make it sound like you're using VIII or X or something older. You're not using a bind with an old alt code or something are you? In any case, I think your example damages show why crit chance is so much more important than the damage modifier since it's off our base damage. The practical difference really is only like 15k between SD and FD per cast but the difference between critting 9/10 vs even 8/10 is pretty big. And yeah, in my tests FD does more than SD but it's still by a relatively small amount.
No ive posted the logs. Youre the one acting like this stuff is peachy. Its broken. Go do a few raids and get back to me. I play my class pretty solid. I dont know where you raid but these are numbers from Gamparse.
FD is 18/18 SD is 9/9. I spent hours parsing both of these and SD came out highest crit. Hard to get consistent numbers when youre only rolling out a disc every 11 min but SD came out highest overall. Still doesnt matter youll be OOM and standing around dodging emotes for the remainder of the fight after you minuteman it.
Like I said imagine being a rogue using FS and being out of endurance about 80% into the disc. Then not even being able to backstab or attack. Thats where they put us. You can deny it all you want. But youre wrong. Its plain to see that if you use Spire FD ITC youre done for the most part. Good luck using arcane. At this point youre better off using AD and ITC and nothing else but regular nuking.
I don't know what your obsession is with following other classes around telling g them the nerds are fine. But at least play a raiding wizard decently before you attempt to tell us how to play our class. Getting info in a group setting in test or wherever you are isn't and will not compare to long arx fights etc. So if you could kindly piss off that would be great. I'll take my word my guildies words and other raiding wizards words like Beimeth over yours just about any day of the week.
You don't need hours of parses to determine if the critical damage portion is working properly. Just remove all SPA 124 (focus) effects so that the damage from each nuke is consistent. If the damage using SD is greater than with FD (assuming both crit), then it's broken. If not, the critical damage portion is working correctly.
It's not the critical portion some simple numbers is enough. Running everything the same. SD 25% critical 19% mana increase FD 50% 52% mana increase. Then you get to modifier which is 250 and 500 respectfully. SD topped put higher. That doesn't concern me. What concerns me is neither is viable in any setting. If you use either one you're out if mana for the remainder of the event regardless of which event it is. You'll be chaining barrage and flame weaver in hopes of getting a harvest proc. The mana consumption which is probably 8k roughly a cast isn't sustainable with either disc and certainly will not allow you to use arcane destruction after or before. If you think you can manage plowing through a disc at that rate and still have mana to contribute for the duration you're lying to yourself.
Here's a little more thorough information and I did learn one interesting thing while doing it which I'll mention at the end. So, what I did was I removed all buffs, arms, robe, type 3 aug, and 17% mana preservation shoulders (decay after level 105). I did not remove anything with +spell damage since it's not really important. BTW I'm level 105 with max AAs. Then I tested only using Ethereal Skyblaze Rank 2 against a level 103 dummy in the Arena on the Test Server. In addition, I equiped the mana preservation shoulders and averaged out the mana usage for 5 casts just to see if it's in the ballpark and it was. Baseline Mana Usage: 3454 Baseline Dmg: 34k Baseline Crit Dmg: 158k SD Mana Usage: 4110 (+19%) SD Crit Dmg: 170k FD Manage Usage: 5250 (+52%) FD Crit Dmg: 182k Basline+Shoulders Mana Usage Avg: 3040 (-12%) SD+Shoulders Mana Usage Avg: 3559 (+3%) FD+Shoulders Mana Usage Avg: 4711 (+36%) Then I checked out Ethereal Rimeblast Rk 2 and Ethereal Fuse Rk2 mana usage to get a better picture of how many casts we should expect. Plus considering combat mana regen, robe clickie, gom procing 10% of the time etc.. The numbers basically add up to my parses the other day. Especially if you notice the mana costs of all three. Not going to post more numbers since I got too much here as it is. But take a look.
Not sure where you got your baselines. But if you aren't using mana pres sky blaze 3 is 5158 per cast. If you got your full 17 percent which you don't it would only take off 877 mana. That's 7320 a cast before pres. Now unless you have a pres around 50% I don't know how you get to those numbers.
I ha e 22 percent present I believe level 105 focus. Somewhere near there. If that 22% applied to base spell then another 22% off spell when fd cast you still would be around 6100 a cast.
Using straight 22% off the 5158 baseline and another 22% off that amount and the 52% is being straight generous and you can't get it under the 6100 at that rate. Either something is goofy on test or live. But If it was 4700 a cast I'd be better off then I was previously. That simply isn't the case.
Spell Casting Mastery adds an innate 15% mana pres, in addition to mana savings from specialisations. There might be other factors that I'm forgetting, but the mana cost you see without shoulders will still be significantly lower than the base mana value.
How long have you been playing a wizard? We get 15% reduction from SCM and an additional reduction from specializing in evocation. My evo is at 380. Both of those things are where I'm attributing the mana savings. I don't exactly remember the formula for evocation so instead of guessing I decided to cast the spell over and over and look with my eyes what the mana usage is. It's accurate.
Thanks! This whole conversation has been rather trying.. I am actually concerned now about the mana usage I'm seeing. If the wiki page I found is accurate I should be seeing 15% + 19% from evocation. And 34% would bring my mana usage down to 3258 which is even lower than what I'm seeing. Maybe it's just old information and the mana preservation of evo is capped at 15%. If that's the case then what I'm seeing is accurate.
So nerfed omg. Both wizards in the top 4 nightly combined. Unusable discs, uncastable spells! [Sat Sep 26 01:00:16 2015] Full Night Combined: Arx 1-1A-2-2A-3-4 in 4885s, 3632186k @743539dps --- Necro pets 331571k @67931dps (9.13%) --- Wizard 329861k @67901dps (9.08%) --- Necro 326821k @67441dps (9%) --- Wizard 231989k @47627dps (6.39%) --- Ranger 216572k @44352dps (5.96%) --- Necro (guild leader, gets slack allowance for handling guild ) pets 214551k @44642dps (5.91%) --- Beastlord+pets 172124k @35497dps (4.74%) --- Ranger 155275k @31969dps (4.27%) --- Berserker pets 154030k @31628dps (4.24%) --- Magician pets 150837k @31930dps (4.15%)'
Nice! Makes me wish I could get another transfer off test. I haven't raided seriously since HoT and kinda miss it. And I think I'm too lazy to go back to my level 90 wiz on Rathe. I need to stop testcopying every time I come back to eq.
