Test Update 10/12/2021 - Patch Notes and Discussions

Discussion in 'Test Update Notes and Bug Roundup' started by EQ Dev, Oct 12, 2021.

  1. josh Augur

    Yes, that's the change. On test right now, you do 0 damage when fighting a raid mob if attack is off. On live against an undead ToV mob I did about 150k dps with attack off, and on test i did about 50k

    That second bit was not an exhaustive parse or anything, it's in that ballpark. It's with all hdex augs.
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  2. Shindius Journeyman

    That is a terrible change that I doubt anyone wanted or asked for. Very short sighted change by the devs on this one.
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  3. Beimeith Lord of the Game

  4. josh Augur

    Yes I agree, that's why I'm not upset about it lol. But all nerfs suck regardless of if they are justified or not.
  5. Yinla Ye Ol' Dragon

    IF it is the same change for the NPCs it is a good change, that will make taking damage easier for non tanking classes for times when mobs have to be dpsed at the front or are acidently turned.
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  6. Wulfhere Augur

    Player characters have had 100% strike though for years now right. Therefore NPC ripostes will only happen against pets.

    I suppose this will reduce server load a bit more. Why not go all the way and remove the riposte skill from the game? Simplify the combat model and remove expectations from paying customers. Who all wants to trade away their riposte abilities (game play) in return for reduced server lag (basic service)?
  7. theonepercent Augur

    How are you getting 100% strikethrough?
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  8. Qimble Elder



    Tell me you're not a tank without telling me you're not a tank.

    Seriously though, unless my combat log is wrong (or I misinterpreting it) mobs def still riposte players. Or do you mean melee DPS don't get hit with riposte anymore?
  9. josh Augur


    That was a bug that they fixed after saying they weren't going to fix it. it lasted years and years and then they just suddenly changed their mind about it. maybe we can hope that they will change their mind about raid mobs having 100% strikethrough
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  10. Wulfhere Augur

    As a paladin, yes. Since level 95 and VoA a paladin has 105% chance to strikethrough. Paladin currently has 75% from AA plus 35+% from mod2 and hAGI. Monk has 100% from AA alone since TDS. All melee/hybrids are well over 100% now.
  11. theonepercent Augur

    That's not how the AA works, just like the crit AAs don't give rogues 225% chance to crit.
  12. Wulfhere Augur

    This is melee combat on Test server with auto attack off.
    A bash from Battlefield Vengeance happens before primary riposte swing.
    A double riposte happens after primary riposte swing:

    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:35 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:35 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 8963 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough Critical)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:35 2021] You try to slash a cold ghoul, but miss! (Riposte)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:50 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:50 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 5574 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:00:50 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 2768 points of damage. (Riposte)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:01:59 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:01:59 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 5698 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:01:59 2021] You try to slash a cold ghoul, but miss! (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:01:59 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 4331 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:01:59 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 24886 points of damage. (Strikethrough)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:22 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:22 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 6460 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:22 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 10009 points of damage. (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:22 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 10009 points of damage. (Riposte)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:40 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:40 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 7435 points of damage. (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:40 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 10056 points of damage. (Riposte Lucky Critical)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:40 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 37485 points of damage. (Riposte Critical)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:40 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 4177 points of damage. (Strikethrough)

    There are ripostes with and without strikethrough on both sides. The AA ripostes are happening.

    However this is where it gets bad:

    [Sat Oct 16 21:58:06 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 21:58:06 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 6671 points of damage. (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 21:58:06 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 7641 points of damage. (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 21:58:06 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte! (Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 21:58:06 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 4641 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:36 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:36 2021] You bash a cold ghoul for 6392 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough Lucky Critical)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:36 2021] You slash a cold ghoul for 2768 points of damage. (Riposte)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:36 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte! (Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:03:36 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 7517 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)

    Above, I did not get a double riposte swing.

    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:34 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte! (Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:34 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 6766 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)

    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:48 2021] A cold ghoul tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte! (Strikethrough)
    [Sat Oct 16 22:08:48 2021] A cold ghoul hits YOU for 14707 points of damage. (Riposte Strikethrough)

    Above, I did not get a swing of any kind. The primary riposte swing was negated by the patch on Test and that either negated the AA swings or I failed both of the AA swing chances as well.

    It appears that if the NPC passes a strike through check on a riposte, then it gets to swing and the player does not. I think I see that the reverse is true as well (it's fair). It can happen on any individual swing.

    The test fight parse says I did a mere 4.8K dps with riposte using an Invested Honed Wurmslayer (for grins) in 51 minutes:

    A cold ghoul in 3097s, 20964k @6769 | Wulfhere 15049k | Reverse DS 5916k

    Wulfhere -vs- A cold ghoul: -- DMG: 15048532 -- DPS: 4859 -- Scaled: 4859 -- Slash: 11698999 -- Bash: 1955177 -- Environmental: 1379700 -- Crush: 14656 -- % dmg as normal: 74.7% -- % dmg as critical: 25.3% -- Non-crit rate: 94.9% -- crit rate: 5.1% -- Attempts: 3750 -- Hits: 3623 -- Missed: 127 -- Accuracy: 96.6% -- Avg Hit: 4153 -- Max hit: 341569 -- DMG to PC: 40661155
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  13. Wulfhere Augur

    Sorry no, do some testing and get back to us. An NPC never successfully dodges or parries or blocks my attacks. I either hit or I miss.

    I have 127 failed attempts in my previous Test parse and they are all misses.

    [Sat Oct 16 22:06:38 2021] You try to slash a cold ghoul, but miss! (Riposte)
  14. theonepercent Augur

    Sorry yes, I don't need to test anything to know my monk with max aa and 39% strikethrough from hagi gets riposted constantly and dies if a raid boss is turned for 2 seconds without turning off attack.
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  15. Wulfhere Augur

    Lol. too funny. Your monk's 100% strikethough means that when you swing you either hit or miss. Your swing cannot be defended, just like those from the raid boss that killed you.
  16. Karliv Journeyman

    So the core point being made here - the change being made - would actually save you, theonepercent. Currently, although you have 100%+ strikethrough, when the mob triggers a riposte, they still get that attack against you - even though you did strikethrough the riposte and still hit them. After Wednesday, assuming the change goes live as stated, they would no longer get that hit from the riposte.
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  17. Wulfhere Augur

    Right, if it's fair like I think I see in my logs. Since we will always strikethrough our own defended swing, an NPC should never get a riposte swing. If it fairly rewards the initiator that is. Needs more testing.
  18. Xianzu_Monk_Tunare Augur

    PoK with Maelin is a bad example. that is a zone with the path up to the top of the library already in the system. It is the other zones which are not done that way, and have a lot of Z axis changes.
  19. Khat_Nip Meow

    Yeah, I just went to Tower of Rot and noted the /loc of where I zoned in ( 0.00, 150.00, 4.87 ).
    I ran down to the very bottom and noted the /loc there. ( -180.29, 7.12, -494.72 ).
    At the bottom I typed /waypoint 0.00, 150.00, 4.87 to get me back to the top and it failed with "Mysterious forces prevent you from finding your destination easily".
    I tried it again from the top with the bottom's waypoint and it again failed.
    So either it's a technical/resource limitation with crazy x,y,z paths or a limitation by design in that they don't want to make it 'too' easy. (It's probably the former)
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  20. yepmetoo Abazzagorath

    So is Double Riposte going to be refunded? I mean, it won't do anything anymore, correct? But its pretty pathetic. I mean, you're SUPPOSED to hit the mob if you riposte, that's the entire POINT of a riposte. Its not a parry. Its a dps ability in addition to an avoidance ability.
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