Should encounter locking system be moved to Live servers?

Their biggest mistakes have always been pushing things to live before they are ready...adding more to systems that are not working correctly just seems stupid.

Except that legally they have to give ample notice that they would be shutting down the servers. They would be acting in bad faith if they did not and they would have to give pro-rated refunds to everyone.

With both SWG and Vanguard they gave at least 6 months notice that they were shutting down the servers, they stoppped allowing people to get subscriptions longer than that, and they gave pro-rated refunds to those who already had subscriptions that would expire after the shutdown.

Stop trying to run cover for them. They only said that well after the server's ruleset was announced and there had been almost a month or more of blowback regarding FTE. They made that vague statement to cover their , in hopes that they could make people forget about it so if they like the results then they can force it on the Live servers. Thankfully, no one has forgotten about it, and people both on the TLP and Live servers have been actively continuing to push back against it.

Even if the new statement is true, that means that they spent several months worth of resources on a feature that was to solve a problem that only exists in the first few months of a TLP server's life, and would only server to be useful for griefing the rest of the time and on all other servers.

And it is just plain stupid to think that they would not do the same for Everquest and every other game on their platform.

Yes, they announced it later when they released more information for the system. What they released at first was minimal and it should have been obvious that they planned on releasing more later to address concerns about the system.

Why would DP invest time in a product that is DoA for it's intended audience? It only makes sense if FTE was intended for live as well.

Because they are doing an experiment and the server seems to be doing just fine? Just because they try something on a TLP server doesn't mean that it is intended for live and there is another feature on that server that makes much more sense on live then it does on TLP.

How do you know the server is doing fine? Does it have the same population it normally has? Is there less people being grieved than normally? No one can pretend to know that information, but we can make a prediction based on available information. My guess is it's not doing as well as previous years.

Again, we can also make the same predictions about FTE intended audience. If you take a look at the empirical data, the claim that FTE was only meant for potentially one TLP makes no sense at all.

Yeah, they probably didn't make it just for Oakwynd. That wouldn't make a lot of business sense. But that doesn't mean it's meant for live. It may have been meant to solve a TLP problem. Since TLPs are a money maker and the TLP audience isn't necessarily the live audience, making a feature that is TLP-specific makes sense. If it does well on this TLP, it would make sense to include it in future TLPs. But that doesn't mean that FTE would improve things on live. There's not the same kind of camp contention that needs FTE on live as on a TLP. And on live, FTE could complicate more day-to-day activities, like people PL'ing their alts. I can see how FTE can improve the situation on a TLP, but it seems like it would be a hindrance on live.

I'm pretty sure there were game-specific subscriptions at that time and not only All Access. It would not make sense at all to restrict extending All Access accounts or even to give a refund on All Access because one game is sunsetting because that would affect the players on all of the games.

However, it does make good sense to give notice of a game shuttering which they have done in the past and have not done for any of the games currently running now.

They are finding more and more bugs/exploites with FTe every week. I don't see it being on other servers anytime soon, if ever.

But then live gets bugged stuff all the time.

Sorry but they do not have to give any notice and this is covered in the TOS where it clearly states: We may, at any time, modify, suspend and/or discontinue all or part of any Daybreak Game(s);

Daybreak is constantly changing the Daybreak Games and may, in its sole and absolute discretion, add, modify, disable, suspend and/or remove any Daybreak Game(s)

If and when Daybreak ends a Daybreak Game, the Virtual Items that you have acquired in any Daybreak Game(s) will no longer be available. Any Virtual Currency remaining in your account for such Daybreak Game(s) will still be available for use in other Daybreak Games. No refunds will be made for purchases of Subscriptions, digital downloads, and/or Virtual Items.

What they can do in good faith and what will really happen are two different things although when they discontinued LON it was nice to have a countdown to final days to do something with all those prizes.

It is still maintaining a high population which shows that is doing fine, and who said it was meant just for this TLP? Depending on how Daybreak sees the results of this server they could easily make this a standard part of every TLP server moving forward just like MotM, AoC, Picks, Truebox and other TLP features.

Which would leave those who play on TLP servers no choice, either FTE or nothing. Some from my guild on Vaniki have tried it and didn't like it and have returned to us, most of the guild didn't even try it.

It is the same for all of the other rulesets that they have added to TLP, there are players who don't like them as well and they have to make the choice of how they want to handle the changes. It will be impossible for Daybreak to make everyone happy and it is likely that any decision on how to move forward with this will be based on the results of Oakwynd and how it progresses through the early era where this matters.

Some of the recent choices made by the dev team have damaged my ability to trust them.

Regardless of that the legacy character makes much more sense to bring to live then the FTE system.

No, no, no and again no.

Can we please just let this thread die ?

What if they could lock the thread to your group so you could decide its fate. Eh? Eh? Eh?

I could not find anything stating this do you have a source you can quote? While I think it is morally responsible for a game company to give as much advance notice as possible I wonder how much notice they actually have to give?

Still no! This dumb idea simply gives those using "the software that shall not be named" complete advantage. When they can target a mob in a microsecond vs actual people targetting in several seconds, guess who gets all the mobs ?

Sigh, their Terms of Service do not matter. Federal law requires them to give notice when ending a service like this and to do refunds when services are pre-paid, as it is for EverQuest and related games. Further, the courts have found identical "No refunds clauses" with regard to subscriptions that were paid for in advance before the service was announced to end and the service ends before the subscription to be unconscionable, and the refunds have to be made.