fixing the raid scene without instancing

Whoever get's on the raid mobs hate list before it dies gets a lockout of xxx amount of time. If you have the lockout and get on the hate list you get ported out of the zone.

That (seems) like a reasonable, easy fix.

And this fixes it for the guilds that can put together more than 1 raid force how?

the fact that this is even a question is one of the reasons alot of people simply dont get involved in the raid scene. zerg gaming is not fun

How long would this lockout be? Raid targets are spawning daily ( couple exceptions in there ) so how long would you lock people out for? 3 days? 5? 7?

There is only 2 ways it can be fixed to satisfy the majority of people. One is expedition style instancing and the other is target only spawns if a guide/gm is there to spawn it and is using some kind of rotation. Anything other than those and there will be ways around it.

Yep. The simple fix is just to instance it and be done with it. Usually the best answer is the simplest answer.

Simply instancing them won't fix it at all, it would have to be expedition style instancing.

that violates their Vision(tm) of the game. i give the devs credit to sticking to their artistic view of the game, even if i disagree with the results.

This depends on how mad we make the Gm's to put this fix in. They already said if they have to step in we aren't going to like it.

I would suggest 24 hours but they may decide that since we made extra work for them to make it longer.

And yes I know some of the guilds could field multiple raid groups. There is nothing to be done about that.

Why not just fix the 'raid scene' with instances?

Never mind, lets try every other possible solution other then the obvious.

How would this prevent the following.

Using unmentioned 3rd party software to tag mobs before they actually render
Blurring trash mobs to get an entire raid locked out
Leapfrogging
Training
Just 1-2 people tagging a mob just before a raid engages said mob just to get them locked out
2000 level 50s on the server and only enough raid content for 200ish people.

Trying to be creative isn't needed here. Seriously the solution is just to instance the raid targets. It solves every single problem that keeps showing up on the forums. Don't try to sound smart. Don't try to be creative. Keep it simple.

@OWNDAR... that stuff you mentioned is all petitionable. except leapfrogging. And tagging a mob wouldn't lock anyone out except the taggers who would be on the hate list, which means you wouldn't want to do that.
Blurring trash mobs also wouldn't cause a lockout.

My solution only tries to enforce a rotation it doesn't keep the trash players from being trash players. That is up to them to remember what they learned in kindergarten.

They could just instance them and forget about a rotation.

I agree, only fix is instancing. Lets stop making this complicated. It isn't.

the ''vision'' that they totally forgot about in PoP+, soon as the technology became available?

I'm not saying i agree with, or even think its a good decision for the health of the servers. Old eq raid content wasn't instanced/expeditioned. The devs want to keep that in tact. They've stated such multiple times.

Like there's literally NO reason not to instance raids. Give me one good reason why raids shouldn't be instanced. You literally solve a TON of problems by JUST instancing raids.

The one reason that matters to them, they don't wanna.