FYI: Fixing TBM Itemization Bugs/Issues is a Focus For the Team

Test patch notes are up....

they weren't joking about fixing itemization Looks pretty awesome.

ps. Enchanter raid armor AC still needs tweaking!

Priests get two 1HBs, but FOUR 2HBs?

That is so stupid that I haven't even considered it could be true until now.

The two 1HBs are fine, but basically the same, and the four 2HBs are all incoherent garbage.

Next month, maybe?

Interesting choice of words, "fix for dichotomic spell progression in place"... a "fix" suggests that they went live with the expansion release but just haven't been functioning.

Oh well, at least it was finally acknowledged. Prepare for server crash when everyone logs in and automatically gets rk 6 from progression being done

Much like keying for raid tiers, priest 2 HBs in chests artificially slow player gearing to an acceptable rate.

Agree. Much of the TBM drop stuff on my alts have no focus at all (still) - shoulders, cloak, belt, etc...

The enc armor problem:

I have included in CoTF T2 items to show that we are in a worse state than then when it comes to AC, I realise this has been posted multiple times already but here goes again:

Equipment AC HP Mana Heroic INT Heroic WIS Heroic AGI Heroic STA Heroic STR Heroic DEX Heal Amt Spell DMG Clair Slots Theme / Expansion
Deathseeker's Mindlock Cap 192 4244 4551 19 0 20 20 18 0 41 50 70 HEAD TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Cap 231 3916 4076 19 0 21 20 14 0 0 48 69 HEAD TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Cap 209 3523 3667 18 0 19 18 13 0 0 44 64 HEAD CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Sleeves 185 4244 4506 18 0 19 23 18 0 40 50 72 ARMS TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Sleeves 222 3956 4117 20 0 22 21 15 0 0 51 73 ARMS TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Sleeves 201 3558 3703 18 0 20 19 14 0 0 46 67 ARMS CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Wristguard 145 4116 4371 21 0 18 23 19 0 40 50 73 WRIST TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Wristguard 174 3799 3954 16 0 18 17 12 0 0 41 59 WRIST TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Wristguard 157 3417 3557 15 0 16 16 11 0 0 37 54 WRIST CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Gloves 174 4159 4416 19 0 19 23 19 0 40 50 72 HANDS TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Gloves 209 3838 3995 17 0 19 18 13 0 0 44 62 HANDS TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Gloves 190 3452 3593 16 0 17 17 12 0 0 40 57 HANDS CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Robe 298 4456 4732 22 0 18 23 19 0 37 52 74 CHEST TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Robe 358 4112 4280 23 0 25 24 17 0 0 58 83 CHEST TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Robe 324 3699 3850 21 0 23 22 16 0 0 53 77 CHEST CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Pants 224 4371 4641 21 0 17 23 19 0 40 51 72 LEGS TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Pants 270 4034 4199 22 0 24 23 16 0 0 56 80 LEGS TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Pants 244 3628 3777 20 0 22 21 15 0 0 51 73 LEGS CoTF T2
Deathseeker's Mindlock Sandals 173 4286 4551 20 0 17 26 17 0 42 48 72 FEET TBM
Darkwater Mindlock Sandals 207 3877 4036 19 0 21 20 14 0 0 48 69 FEET TDS
Flowing Etheric Mindlock Sandals 188 3488 3630 18 0 19 18 13 0 0 44 64 FEET CoTF T2

Google docs clicky:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XtXJWWwl2iFjTqXnDAcZYLmXEFZGcAQuuu7DeAD1gMw/edit#gid=0

From Deillusional's info: (7 visible items combined per xpac)



ENC lose 22 HAGI (on base armor) going from TDS to TBM. They lose 280 AC, and gain only 5 spell damage. Considering HAGI is the favorite ENC stat, it should be increasing ihe most (not HSTR). I realize you can aug for HAGI and gain a lot, but this is still odd for base armor stats. I really think the armor could use more spell damage, as well. Spell damage is really tiny amounts of extra DPS, it's silly to only add 5 for the whole set.

Why 7 visible items and not 8?

Keep in mind TBM have type 5 aug slots and the heroics are through the roof. Are you considering that?

which 8 type 5 augs have a total of 280 AC? yes the massive boost in HAGI (265 if you type 5 for Hagi) is nice but does it really make up for the raw AC loss?

I'm not sure if it makes up for it, or whether other classes lose AC on their sets also. We are still waiting on a dev comment regarding whether it was overlooked or intended it seems. Just wanted to ensure that if we are showing charts with stats, there are more options than being displayed.

I went thru the patch notes, and I like what I see there. The problems with itemization are still very large in both number and scope. I do not expect everything to be fixed and perfect. I do expect it to be much better then before.

At this time, I think the best thing to do, have this patch roll out, take a breather, and then take a look at were we are, and what should still need to be done. I think that once this is rolled out, we will be at a point where we can start taking a look at combinations of items, sets of items, and how it scales verses previous gear, in terms of stuff like attack rating, accuracy, avoidance, HP, AC, Endurance, clairvoyance, heal amount, and so on.

Looking forward, most of the gear issues are nailed down, what I recommend we look at is what is dropping where, and what level you have to be to click what, as well as tuning events.

AC and mod2 values on the group gear is worse than TDS for all classes not just enchanters. Especially if you considering chest, leg and boot slots. Even after fully aug'ing them its worse by 50-80 AC. Some classes like monk, rogue and berserker and missing their special mod2 values as well.

Honestly, they should just start from scratch on itemization. At least on the group gear side. Call the "scaling" gear a failed experiment. Trying to patch the existing stuff is just a bottomless pit. Replace all the drop tables with new spreadsheet based stuff and give us full currency trade in value at the merchants for existing stuff. Yes, people that have multiple pieces will get over compensated, but better to properly fix items than to worry about people getting extra currency.

I don't even know what the long term vision of the scaling stuff is. If they intend it to go forward, do we no longer need armor drops in future content and it becomes all about upgrading augs? If so, that becomes really boring. Otherwise, they're going to have to keep buffing the base level 75 gear and that becomes really over powering at lower levels. Or was the plan to just abandon it after this expansion? If so, they just wasted a bunch of time bothering to create it in the first place.

He was talking specifically about Enchanter raid armor. In many cases the actual GROUP gear can be built to have higher AC than the raid gear at this point. Silk class AC was plastered across the board with the same values is what it looks like to me.

This is raid armor not group. We should not have to travel back 3 expansions in terms of AC / HAgi on our raid items.

The only reason I'm okay with the slightly reduced hAGI is because they put it on hSTA (a less stupid choice than the others) and because of slot 5 augs. I still think it's wrong but I wouldn't even care if they didn't touch the heroics if it meant fixing the rest.

That's the thing though, on the raid items, since they have a type 5, it seems like they are expecting the final outcome to be with a type 5 augment in it. So, if you pick the top 8 type 5 Hagi aug on the visible gear you come out something around 265 Hagi over, with something like 80-120 other heroic stat each. The loss of the AC is a question though. Does getting an additional 10 threshold of dodge and 117 Hsta (1755 hp per Raidloot) make up the loss of the 280 armor AC?

not with AC, could possibly live with the agi being less.