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Cyclonic · Jan 30, 2023

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“This guy was a member since 2013...

Unless I get access to a time machine... That ain't me.

I guess that mystery was too complicated for you to figure out on your own.”

Well then if you think that I need meds... check out the most recent recruitment topic.

No need to be so "insulting" about it.

You're really pretty by the way.

Chaos Evolution · Jan 30, 2023

who or what are the Tornado Twins?

Cyclonic · Jan 30, 2023

Chaos Evolution said: ↑

“who or what are the Tornado Twins?”

It's me and my alt that I pretend isn't me.

Chaos Evolution · Jan 30, 2023

Cyclonic said: ↑

“It's me and my alt that I pretend isn't me.”

you know who Psidewinder is right? do you know about Toroidal fields?

Drathmor · Jan 31, 2023

Proxystar said: ↑

“No, armories have nothing to do with tac swapping, yes, you can use armories to achieve a similar result in as far as the gear goes, but the intent behind why armories were introduced wasnt to make "tac swapping" easier.

Armories were introduced to allow players to switch roles on the fly should one role die and need to be replaced, while also facilitating the necessary requirements of doing so, which amounted to more than just gear, but also the allocation of appropriate skill points.

Prior to the launch of armories players spent copious time resetting skill points to alt role, some did also spec in a manner that allowed them to swap on the fly if needed, albeit in a somewhat compromised fashion.

In order to change a player would die to drop combat, press T then change gear etc.

Armories weren't introduced to eliminate tac swapping or even to replace it, it was simply a quality of life improvement automating an otherwise manual process, while making it far more effective for the average player.

Yea to everything above I was there. tac swapping had nothing to do with it they weren't in DC yet but the quick switching of stats and equipment and loadouts are. and artifacts fall under gear as you have stated and the quick switching of gear multiple times was frowned upon and hence put behind a lock out and a timer which was my point.

Battle tanking in fact is a similar manual process, if I want to play with damage output balance on the fly, I don't have screeds of armories with nuanced differences, that would be utterly silly, I have one armory I alter on the fly, I will even go as far as changing augments in combat, after having shielded myself if I needed to either up dominance or up precision and so forth.

Armories are nice, but they come with a cool down in exchange for automating and going further than the manual process, but they're not a replacement, nor have they ever been.

It's also not realistic to have an armory for the copious number of variable circumstances that might arise in content when a simple switch of one item is the only change required, making that change is intelligent strategy on the part of that player, again, it's the difference between a decent player and one that's casual.

Hence the decision to set your loadout ahead of time and have several locked in. the inability to choose is not a problem that address the topic. that's a player problem. would it be nice to have more than 4 Sure would but alas not what we were given

Decent players tend to not want to waste their times with wipes, casual players tend to care far less, it makes absolutely no sense to wipe when the game has provided you with an ability to avoid it, should you wish you use it.

With respect to group exclusion, let's be real, they'd probably be excluding you anyway and I dont mean that disrespectfully, I mean it because those players are looking for "elite meta chasers" if you don't fit that description, you were never getting in their group period.

Those players are also typically after players that fit a certain role, because that's how they like to beat the content, that doesn't mean it's required to beat the content, it means that's how they want to beat it.

If they're looking for an EOG healer then it's because they're circle spamming, they're going for high damage and they want a support player that facilitates that goal.

You have two choices in that scenario, build an EOG and embrace that requirement or refuse and build your own group with different goals in mind.
I wouldn't call those you described decent players, I would call them elitist wannabees that in my experience really aren't that good to begin with. and get stomped anytime me or some of my friends get into content with them. A decent player is good no matter what artifacts they are using. and find ways to make odd things work because they know the game enough to be good in many different circumstances.

And i stress the point again, content can be beaten without tac swapping, albeit you'll work a little harder to do so and that's entirely fair because at the end of day, you aren't working as hard to beat it or you're being less effeicient in utilizing the tools provided to you, too beat the content in the first place.

agree content can be beat with out it and should be as if content was to be created catering to art swapping then we have already lost and might as well kiss new players goodbye not because currently they have to do it but imagine the bar to entry to someone new to the game. and they hear of tac swapping because they get excluded from a group or someone looking up a youtube video and seeing heavy swapping ( I know you dont have to heavy swap just making a point). do you honestly believe that they are going to know what is even going on. much less how, and have the want to be able to do it. Think about it for a bit, your smart how would you feel looking at that if this was a new game to you.

There's no such thing as abusing the swapping of gear, im sorry but theres not, that implies again that you're not allowed to manually swap gear and that armories were meant to be a control mechanism to create a restriction, they were not.

An artifact is a piece of gear, that's how they were developed, theyre open for swapping, just to blow your mind a little, I can and do swap allies and augments mid fight as well if the need arises, it's far more cumbersome but is also entirely possible, is that also devil behavior?

this I already addressed in first point. we have options of 4 hot swappable loadouts a player should be able to manage with that and has work well since that option was given to us as it was worse before and we all managed

Again these are all the little nuances that make the difference between a casual player and a good player. Im not going to discuss whether or not there's money grubbing tactics though, I feel it's just an emotional distraction, not however saying you aren't entitled to that view you hold.
the little nuances that make a good player and a mediocre player is not paid for artifacts or swapping them( could be one small aspect not main factor). its skill based and knowledge based, knowing when to singe target and when to AOE, knowing when and how to clip your ability's. knowing when is the best time for trinkets and which ones in which order. things of that nature determine the difference in skill between players

In conclusion I agree that there are a number of variables factoring in to why it might not be getting touched, but it cannot be denied that a massive chunk of the negative sentiment is hyperbolic, driven in part by some players watching spotlight videos on tac swapping only to knee jerk in to a state of ignorant panic as to firstly how widespread it is, but also how much of a problem it actually presents
I agree this wont get touched until it does reach the point of it becoming a bigger issue which as with all things inevitably does. hence why Mepps said we are keeping an eye on it. the problem there lies that they currently have no direction for the game and no leadership. so who knows if it will get addressed even then. Will they even have the staff to make effective changes in the game. I dont know I hope so.

Again what they're also asking for is a fundamental change to the way the game has functioned since its inception with regard to gear swapping and you're exactly right, that does stand to annoy people and rightfully so, which is entirely why the developers aren't at this point considering that fix and in fact given theres better solutions to deal with artifact swapping anyway, removing gear swapping in all settings simply to address artifacts should just never be the solution anyway.
I want to ask you this in all honesty before artifacts how often did you swap gear from inventory? I'm sure it was from time to time especially in the old days we had to go into inventory for say a soda when stack ran out or something of that nature. but I dare to say it wasn't often. and outside of wanting to squeeze the absolute max out of something do you find it enjoyable to not have access to something but then have to go into your inventory which brings up a separate screen to select an item then go back to fighting and then have to do that same action over and over. Name another game where you want to play from inventory.”

Side note: proxy please respond shorter lol it takes to long with this long form both reading and replying I know im not helping with that request =-)
really didn't want to get sucked into all this I hope you didn't take my 4 pages of arguing with proxy post as a attack I just found it funny you were taking on a whole thread by yourself

DeitySupreme · Jan 31, 2023

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“For a guy who tells people to grow up... you sure cry like a baby a lot

Seriously the "Nobody likes you" whine? What is this?... The kindergarten playground?

And holy hades... Who do you decide is "worth it".. ya judgmental pretentious lame-o?

And here's where that hypocrisy light of yours shines so bright...

Being insulting is your specialty.

Hell... You just called anyone who would ever side with me "unworthy".”

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“And how hypocritical is this?

Let's see the spread sheet and peer reviewed study that you base this "fact" on.

Years of testing?
Did you take a poll?

- "Okay, people!! Everyone line up.... I'm gonna need the worthy over here.... Unworthy... find a seat.. "”

Imagine being so bothered by a comment you have to come back and reply twice lol…

When did I say no one likes you? I said no one worth it takes you serious. I also didn’t say everyone who does take you seriously is unworthy lol. For someone who cries that players take your comments out of context or puts words in your mouth, you sure do it a lot. By anyone worth it, they are devs. Devs listen to facts and data. Not meme post and whining. You keep failing to provide any meaningful information to back any claims you have. You best attempt at doing anything even resembling giving data is quoting a dictionary as if that’s even anything substantial lol.

zNot · Jan 31, 2023

Chaos Evolution said: ↑

“
it's the reverse portal racer effect Ghost Creeper!
”

Are you trolling or why do you keep sending random pictures and writing things out of topic of this thread?

GhostRyder3000 · Jan 31, 2023

DeitySupreme said: ↑

“Imagine being so bothered by a comment you have to come back and reply twice lol…”

Sorry if your hypocrisy is so deep and ingrained into who you are... that it takes a second reading to see it fully...

It's like watching a good movie...
"Ahhhh... He was a hypocrite the whole time!"
..

or imagine if we were allowed to edit posts.

“By anyone worth it, they are devs. Devs listen to facts and data.”

Imagine being so arrogant that you think you speak for the devs.

“You best attempt at doing anything even resembling giving data is quoting a dictionary as if that’s even anything substantial lol.”

Yeah... And you cried about that, too, ya big ol' baby.

Tolly · Jan 31, 2023

when Ghost ryder3000 and Deirty supreme are on? I feel like I see it every time

FluffyCloud99 · Jan 31, 2023

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“Sorry if your hypocrisy is so deep and ingrained into who you are... that it takes a second reading to see it fully...

It's like watching a good movie...
"Ahhhh... He was a hypocrite the whole time!"
..

or imagine if we were allowed to edit posts.

Imagine being so arrogant that you think you speak for the devs.

Yeah... And you cried about that, too, ya big ol' baby.”

This is the reason people dont take you seriously ghost. Stop sitting there insulting people when you have an argument. If you wanna insult, go to discord or something. The thread is for opinions and civilised trading of opinions, not a witch hunt for those who think differently. Say your piece and move on. The moment you turn to insults is the moment you feel you lost and start to attack other people. Talk. Not insult

The people who disagree will reply to you with their opinions. If you dont like it, ignore it or try to see both sides to said argument. Not just insult them because they think differently

DeitySupreme · Jan 31, 2023

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“Sorry if your hypocrisy is so deep and ingrained into who you are... that it takes a second reading to see it fully...

It's like watching a good movie...
"Ahhhh... He was a hypocrite the whole time!"
..

or imagine if we were allowed to edit posts.

Imagine being so arrogant that you think you speak for the devs.

Yeah... And you cried about that, too, ya big ol' baby.”

When did I say I speak for the devs? I said the devs go off of facts and data. That is a factually correct statement. They have even said so on multiple occasions. Just go through the testing feedback thread.

As for your dictionary argument… That is a very simple minded approach lol. You truly are extremely delusional. If a person were to attack someone with a bat. The person could be charged for assault with a deadly weapon. You actually believe someone can pull up the definition of a bat and say “look it’s not a weapon” and think that will be accepted? Thou.. knowing you.. you probably believe that.

GhostRyder3000 · Jan 31, 2023

FluffyCloud99 said: ↑

“The people who disagree will reply to you with their opinions. If you dont like it, ignore it or try to see both sides to said argument. Not just insult them because they think differently”

You really see "ya big ol' baby" as a real insult?

I see that as me taking his condescending and insulting nature in stride.... with a good humor.

I don't care that he thinks differently... No two people think the same way.
There are always differences of opinion.

Seriously go back and re-read this thread.. or most of the others... and really see where it goes off the rails....

You'll find that I'm not the one who first crosses the line into the "insult" territory.

Diety's first post to me in this thread:

“But then again you’ve never been one to use actual facts so I’m not surprised you can’t understand that yourself either.”

You want to talk about insults? Talk to him.

GhostRyder3000 · Jan 31, 2023

DeitySupreme said: ↑

“When did I say I speak for the devs? I said the devs go off of facts and data. That is a factually correct statement. They have even said so on multiple occasions. Just go through the testing feedback thread.

As for your dictionary argument… That is a very simple minded approach lol. You truly are extremely delusional. If a person were to attack someone with a bat. The person could be charged for assault with a deadly weapon. You actually believe someone can pull up the definition of a bat and say “look it’s not a weapon” and think that will be accepted? Thou.. knowing you.. you probably believe that.”

They wouldn't look at the definition of the word "bat"....

They would use the defintion for the word "assault"....

And yes... "Bat" has already been DEEEEFFINNEEED as a deadly weapon in that definition.

Edit:
Oh, sorry, Fluffy..... Should I have not replied to his insulting post?

DeitySupreme · Jan 31, 2023

GhostRyder3000 said: ↑

“They wouldn't look at the definition of the word "bat"....

They would use the defintion for the word "assault"....

And yes... "Bat" has already been DEEEEFFINNEEED as a deadly weapon in that definition.

Edit:
Oh, sorry, Fluffy..... Should I have not replied to his insulting post?”

So you’re saying that the bat can be redefined based on the current use, or current intent, and not by the initial intent?

Almost as if current intent supersedes initial intent. Almost as if the current intent of the devs supersedes the initial intent. Almost as if the devs define what is allowed and isn’t allowed based on how they see the game should be run at the current state of the game… Almost as if the current use of arts are defined by how the devs see they showed be allowed to be used. Glad you finally came around

Chaos Evolution · Jan 31, 2023

"AM EYE TROLLING"

Chaos Evolution · Jan 31, 2023

Try again Jack the Ripper

Chaos Evolution · Jan 31, 2023

Fiction is either real or not you don't get out of this

Chaos Evolution · Jan 31, 2023

you are a liar Batman

Chaos Evolution · Jan 31, 2023

GhostRyder3000 · Jan 31, 2023

DeitySupreme said: ↑

“So you’re saying that the bat can be redefined based on the current use, or current intent, and not by the initial intent?”

That's not redefining the definition of bat.

Using a baseball bat as a weapon doesn't change the fact that it's a baseball bat.

And real world applications to videogames doesn't really apply....
I hit people with my baseball bat in the game all the time... I'm never arrested for assualt... Hell, usually I'm rewarded.

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