Trollls hmmmm (devs let's talk)

Tros · Feb 15, 2024

If a guy says that Troll role is useless that guy dont know what he is talking about.

A mostly of the time only invite Buff trolls for my team because i want that buffs + debuffs + power regen.

It doesnt only regen power and debuffs enemies, it boosts might, precision, restoration, dominance, vitalization, crit damage, etc...

So you clearly are the "infamous" i-dont-know-how-to-play.

Illumin411 · Feb 16, 2024

Massah said: ↑

“Oh ... I thought that was the point of Thermonuclear Explosion usage vs using Atom Splitter.

Guess I should have tried to see if Infinite CC chain was real before posting, thank you for clarifying.”

Atom Splitter sucks azz. That's the reason to not use it. And Thermo-Chem is close to infinite CC. It's just not 100% guaranteed at all times in all scenarios.

ObsidianChill · Feb 17, 2024

Illumin411 said: ↑

“Tiered trinket pet damage is tied to which tier it is and scales up with your CR. Item level doesn’t factor in to damage. All tier 3 flying pets are coded to do identical damage. All Tier 3 ST turrets are coded to do identical damage. All Tier 3 AOE turrets are coded to do identical damage. All tier 2 flying pets are coded to do the same damage, etc, etc, etc. The differences are purely cosmetic with only two exceptions. The pets that aren’t part of the tier system such as like the seasonal pets, limited edition pets (Servo, etc) do significantly less damage but tend to provide other benefits such as the heartthrob and heartbreak benefits we discussed earlier.

There are only two exceptions to the tiered pets doing identical damage (within the same tier). The first is intended and that’s that Survival Mode pets do 10% more damage in Survival Mode. The second exception which is unintended is that flying pets that have beam attacks can potentially do a little more damage but for that to happen both they and the enemy they’re attacking have to have certain positioning in respects to each other. If the beam attack is hitting the enemy at a certain angle it can produce an extra couple ticks of damage but that’s it. Of course there’s absolutely nothing a player can do to intentionally cause or influence that to happen as pets float around wherever and however they want and enemies don’t stand perfectly still either (unless they glitch out.)

It’s a common misconception that the Motherbox does the most damage. It’s damage is identical to all other flying pets within the same tier with only the two exceptions I just mentioned. This misconception comes from when Obsidian Chill did his pet damage testtng and posted the results. Yes, the Motherbox had the highest damage but that is purely because of RNG and the way OC tests. He does three parsers for each pet and averages them for the result. Now, that process is as thorough and accurate as can be done by a person who has a life outside this game and can’t spend hundreds of hours testing stuff which is what would be necessary in order to all but eliminate the RNG factor. But still, OC’s process understandably still has an RNG factor that will slightly skew results. In this case it made the Motherbox appear superior to the others. But if he retested today (or hell, even immediately after testing the last time) the Motherbox could have very well come in 5h or 8th or even last amongst Tier 3 flying pets. Anybody who has spent even a little time parsing on a soarring target knows that their first three parsers can easily be wuite dufferent from their 4th-6th parsers. That’s just how damage RNG works in this game.

And even if one is still convinced the Motherbox is the best, if you look at those results in terms of damage per second and not total damage, the difference between the Motherbox results and the last place tier 3 flying pet results is 408/s or 4,080 in a 10s parser. That’s a drop inside a drop inside a drop in the bucket of the damage a DPS does.

OC even explained the RNG factor in his video and specifically said that they’re only in the order they are due to random RNG. But people are idiots who don’t listen or comprehend basic concepts instead opting to just look at whatever tops the list.”

Just to reinforce your comment about the positioning as this gets overlooked alot by the community.

NO PETS OUTISDE the tier system Tier 1-3 have ANY damage penetration

The non-tier pets can never, in any situation damage wise (even considering the boo-utility belt depending on how many targets you get positioned correctly) it also is a huge RNG component because you can't control your positioning to the adds in content. On sparring targets you can. My Trinket testing is just a baseline and to show that alot of the top tier pets damage difference is a simple weapon tap between them and there is no hands down must have tier pet.

DeitySupreme · Feb 17, 2024

ObsidianChill said: ↑

“Just to reinforce your comment about the positioning as this gets overlooked alot by the community.

NO PETS OUTISDE the tier system Tier 1-3 have ANY damage penetration

The non-tier pets can never, in any situation damage wise (even considering the boo-utility belt depending on how many targets you get positioned correctly) it also is a huge RNG component because you can't control your positioning to the adds in content. On sparring targets you can. My Trinket testing is just a baseline and to show that alot of the top tier pets damage difference is a simple weapon tap between them and there is no hands down must have tier pet.”

Since it would be impossible to test everyone single t3 pet the amount of times needed to show better baselines you ever think and taking the lowest parsering pet with a beam and the mother box and just doing more test with these 2 in particular to show the difference between the low and the high (as well as attack patterns)

ObsidianChill · Feb 17, 2024

DeitySupreme said: ↑

“Since it would be impossible to test everyone single t3 pet the amount of times needed to show better baselines you ever think and taking the lowest parsering pet with a beam and the mother box and just doing more test with these 2 in particular to show the difference between the low and the high (as well as attack patterns)”

That certainly is viable. I was hoping that one of the current developers would pick up on Charon's work but it doesn't seem so or at least DCUO could be moving in a direction away from creating consistent new supplies/orbitals/pets. Ranmaru did create the new henchmen but they were essentially just cosmetics, with all the reskinned henchmen since Charon left drastically underperforming damage wise.

I'll add it to the list

DeitySupreme · Feb 17, 2024

ObsidianChill said: ↑

“That certainly is viable. I was hoping that one of the current developers would pick up on Charon's work but it doesn't seem so or at least DCUO could be moving in a direction away from creating consistent new supplies/orbitals/pets. Ranmaru did create the new henchmen but they were essentially just cosmetics, with all the reskinned henchmen since Charon left drastically underperforming damage wise.

I'll add it to the list ”

Yea not sure if any new BIS henchmen will be coming out any time soon. Don’t personally have an issue with it tbh lol.

And yes if you are able to make a video on the low and high t3 beam pet to go along with your other video it would actually be very informative for those who just look things up. Personally I use t3 mother box on all my mains since I had a bunch drop lol. My alts/farmer toons have whatever t2 pet was cheapest at the time haha

UDDOPEKKA · Apr 22, 2024

Massah said: ↑

“Oh ... I thought that was the point of Thermonuclear Explosion usage vs using Atom Splitter.

Guess I should have tried to see if Infinite CC chain was real before posting, thank you for clarifying.

Heartbreak pet damage by itself is not close to Motherbox, but shows more "Group" damage even in an alert setting.

In a raid or Open world bounty setting: Heartbreak debuff stacking is where it shines.

On my namesake HL Controller I run Heartbreak and Toxic Encore (awaiting x2 Artifact to level up Rao) before supply drop boosted orbitals.
Slight management of targeting adds near low health to prep Toxic Encore on Boss.
(On PS4 if opening damage on full health boss is Light blast it allows Toxic Encore condition for 2nd Light Blast cast.

On my PC HL test account it does not do the same, so I am unsure if that happens on PC. (Gadgets on PC test...Toxic Encore does not prep as initial Boss attack; either)”

Tested bwl on target practices, it loads and throws finisher below certain hp. But it loads again 5th finisher and throws it in 6th one. 10sec debuff/[(Finisher channeling + finisher cd)*6] is too low uptime for to make it worth imo.

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