PLEASE! Do something with the monk class! I'm SO SO sick of being rejected from raids or being kicked out of raids! I'm tired of the monk discrimination because our class isn't specific enough. Unless you're completely raid geared, people don't want you. You can't tank in a raid, and you don't do enough DPS to be valuable. I have my myth and mostly T2 gear and I can tank a lot of the TSO group instances. I can't get into a WoE group to save my life. A lot of single groups don't even really want me. PLEASE PICK. DPS OR TANKING. I don't care which, just make a freaking choice!!! MAKE US USEFUL, because right now we are the most undesired class in the game.
Hopefully there will be some brawler loving on the next expansion. Each expansion saw some fighter class getting loving like the Guard in RoK and the SK in TSO. Common SoF be the expansion of the brawler. I am not holding my breath though LOL. Brawlers have been greatly ignored as of late. Even ask our Bruiser brethren.
scalzo wrote: i would have to agree with this statement as a bruiser myself. we have been ignored alot the past few expansions, so hopefuly we will some loving this next expansion.
Yeah, brawlers in general have been ignored. Bruisers are having as hard of a time as monks. Unless you're in a major raiding guild, its extremely hard to get into raids or any of the high end single group instances. Monk's just aren't desired. Unless we have all T4/200AA's/Myth'd. even then, in a x4 raid they aren't gonna let us tank. Maybe WoE...maybe. I just want us to be considered viable at SOMETHING. Whether it be tanking or DPS'ing. If its tanking, then bump our mitigation, or make our avoidance actually mean something. If its DPS, then make it so we do more than a quarter of the damage of a wiz or assassin. We shouldn't out DPS scouts, but we should be hitting a little closer. Although I'd like to see us go the way of tanking, since we are fighters. But honestly I'll take anything more specific then what we are now.
well i would like to have the bawler class be like furys, where we can either spec AA for tanking or DPS. make it where it is only 1 or the other. for me i dont care much about tanking and only do it when i have to, but my dps is no high enough to get into very many good groups. mostly only get into groups that a guildy forms or a person in the groups has grouped with me before. i hate doing the LS, EF, and abbey groups over and over again it gets really old really fast.
AbbuCloudshaper wrote: You guys need to stop crying and make something of yourselves. We dps more then any other tank and can tank anything. I don't know why you would expect to just hop in a raid without the proper amount of crit mit and expect to MT against probably well established tanks who were already in the guild ahead of you. It is just rediculous to think so, earn your spot gear up CORRECTLY and you will be doing excellent dps and able to tank anything. Most of the problem we have is people saying outlandish things like "We don't do 25% of wizard dps" people read that crap and then you expect to get invited to groups, good luck with that.
Mosha DKhan wrote: New flash priests are a broken class, you want us to be like a class that cant do their jobs and are underpowered compared to the other subclasses grats according to people here we are already that.
Tanking on my zerker or sk provides both survivability and good dps. Aoe aggro and dps sky rockets on aoe fights for sk's and zerkers. Brawlers have good dps and survivability is only good if the gear is top items for the tier. Aoe aggro and dps for brawlers is far below the zerker, sk, and even the paladin. Not say that brawlers need to become aoe damage specialist but they do need better aoe aggro. Even the guards need it as well. If aoe aggro could be managed better for brawlers then that will help greatly for pug instance grouping. Tabbing through mobs is a pain but that is the only way any brawler has a snowballs chance in hades in holding aggro.
Aull wrote: Funny I hit craneflock and I have fine ae dps. As far as far as top items for this tier goes I call BS since I tanked every instance in this tier in RoK gear. But hey way to make your argument that ae tank classes hold ae agro better to a single target tank.
Monks were made to be some kind of Jack-of-all-trades. I like the class like this, if your main goal is to raid, pick another class, simple as that...
BChizzle wrote: well if you have not noticed lately we ARE A BROKEN CLASS!!!!! and as far and MT raids i dont care to do, i am just fine dpsing in them. but with my 52% mit crit i guess that is not good enough then. i am T3 and up for all but shoulders (still T2) and have all fabled jewelry. as for the dps factor i hit about 6k on raids with and can spike up to 9k. the problem i am having is tanking a zone because i die to dang quick and cant keep agro on aoe and group mobs. as a bruiser with no self haste crane flock is crap and does me no good. the only real reason i get into raids is because of my guild and that i am the only person in the guild that plays a brawler for there main. the brawlers need some work done to them so we can tank the high end zones like PoF and outer guk. i am sick of being passed up for another tank when i can hold agro way better than any of the ones i get passed up by. i guess the point i am trying to make is i want to beable to dps when i dont have to tank and tank where needed. make the dang class have a reason for still being around. and on the matter of being highes dps out of the fighters.... i call major BS because i struggle to stay ahead of of the tanks in my guild on raids and on some pulls depending on how the fight goes they will out dps me. and on most names like Thet in TOMC i do get out dpsed even when i am on the mob the whole time. if they can dps and tank in offensive stance we are pretty much usless unless for sisters in Shard of Hate.
Mosha DKhan wrote: I tanked Outer Guk and POF before T3 gear existed, you clearly just aren't very good at your class. But hey they should just change our whole class because Mosha here can't figure out how to tank on his bruiser.
Narringan@Antonia Bayle wrote: Incorrect, monks were made to be fighters aka tanks and did great at it until they took away our shields.
BChizzle wrote: Wait just a minute. I though you said monks were fine, but now I am reading this as they are less of a tank since shields have been taken away?
BChizzle wrote: you said you have tanked all this stuff and said you have done it is RoK gear? is this gear RoK VP gear or RoK avatar gear? because if it is either of those then your tanking it with some of the higher end gear that most players cant obtain, because like you said we have to earn our spot and with the way the brawler class is you cant have that chance in getting in the raid to earn your spot because most raids dont want us. SORRY WE ARE ALL NOT LIKE YOU WITH A RAID SPOT AND THE BEST GEAR FOR THE TIER!!!!
Mosha DKhan wrote: T2 gear > RoK gear, but if you must get technical I was wearing a EoF lvl 70 avatar crit robe which in no way helps with sirvuvability but was good for dps. Like I said most raids don't want you because you are taking a self defeating attitude. I mean seriously you complain about tanking WOE well form your own woe then and learn it. Here is a hint though, spec craneflock its not useless.
Aull wrote: There was a dip in monk tanking from lvl 50 to EoF which created this whole nonsense, SOE has taken HUGE strides in making monk tanks viable and a monk has tanked every bit of end game content since EoF launch. It's funny though that people always claim we get no attention or help even though last BETA they dedicated a huge amount of time revamping our KoS str line which is one of our best lines to choose from.
Just a honest question for BChizzle and I am not trying to rip here. What area(s) other than aoe aggro would you suggest for the average monk.
BChizzle wrote: 1. you where wearing a lvl 70 robe, i highly doubt you tanked an PoF zone in it because i dps in the zone with guildies and die pretty fast with my T3 chest piece..... like i said earlier i have all T3 other than my T2 shoulders and T4 bracers. my jewelry are all fabled and have 200AA. so dont know how you with your 70 lvl gear takes this stuff and highly doubt you do it unless you have so major BA healers and a dirge and corcer for major hate gain. 2. you never have said anything about a bad attitude. you said i was poorly geared. and thought i expected to just have a spot. during raid that i do, do with my guild i hardly say much and just try and get my job done. the only time i will get made is if i ever pull agro and they complain about me doing so. i still cant see why i pull agro so easy with the deagro buff though aa so that is still confusing to me. but over all i dont see where you pulled that one out of. changing what you said ealier shows you are just try to prove people wrong. i am will to bet your main is a gaurd or SK and you dont want your brawler to pass him because you put so much time in your other character. 3. i have yet to say something about tanking WOE. there has nothing been about tanking raids in my post. in earlier post you would have read i dont care for tanking a raid if you read my earlier post. so again i dont know where you pulled that one out of. 4. craneflock is worthless for a bruiser as we have no self haste and with a delay of 2.2 sec that means i get 4 attacks off. so that is 8 hits total and with the ability it make it 16 hits (on single mob). where if i spec for chi i can cast faster and reuse things faster while i have knockout up. if you bothered to read my first post you would have know that i am a bruiser not a monk.
Mosha DKhan wrote: 1. I was wearing the crit robe, the rest I dont care about what gear you have you obviously aren't listening so there is nothing thats going to make you better. 2. My main is brawler and it is the top brawler in that game, I am all for getting brawlers buffed I however am not for this throw your hands up and cry BS that it is the end of the world and poor monks/brawlers when I know for a fact most of the complaining comes from brawlers like yourself who really just dont take the time to learn to play their class effectively. 3. I was referring to the QQ brawler community in general. 4. I already pointed out you should get craneflock, you like chi well get both then if you are so set on it. Also you apparently fail at making groups since you obviously lack in haste for whatever reason yet you arent adding any classes that give you haste. Here is a newsflash though, with our 2.5 delay weapons haste is rather easy to cap even for bruiser. You should still have craneflock but I seriously doubt you will listen so stay being nothing but someone to drop flags.
