Why has the Vanguard have no infantry snub card?

Prowler
Fast top speed
Good turning
High DPS (kill potential)
Double shot

Magrider
Great agility
Great turrain handling (lose's no speed going up steep slopes)
Avoidance

Vanguard
High Alpha shot (if you don't consider the Prowlers double shot as higher alpha. and also the slowest reload)
+5-7% armour (apart from rear).


What I would like to see is the Vanguard to get better "defensive" bonus's against infantry. Increase it's resistance values from all infantry weapons by 25% and possibly make it survive being 2x C4'ed (unless on the rear).

Reason being that both the Magrider and Prowler have better utility to counter/deter infantry. Where as the Vanguard has practically nothing, (bar the very small armour buff) and suffers the most from infantry for this reason.

Iwin shield?

I left the ES Abilitys out of this, they all have their use's against infantry.
How is a 6 second utility going to help the Vanguard after them 6 seconds are up considering its a 45 second CD.

Again all MBT's have their "Iwin function" the Vanguard lacks passive abilitys over the other 2 factions, which is the main deal breaker here.

How is the Prowler lock down going to help against infantry cr attack?

The Vanguard "flavor" I believe is that it has a slightly better edge in tank fights and the extra armor is a good all around.

If infantry with C4 is killing you excessively, then perhaps take an active gunner who stays aware if your surroundings and has microphone.

That applies to all E'S tanks.

that's plain wrong. did you ever drive a magrider?

also, vanguard has more armor and the shield which increases its effective health even more. so there's no need to buff one faction's tank against infantry without giving other factions a similar treatment

The point I was bring up was the "passive abilitys" ES abilitys are not passive. Lockdown can rek infantry from great distance's to stop them from geting close to you. But this is not the point i'm trying to point out.

The Vanguard lacks passives, this is why when ever I look up on the MBT up time stats, the Vanguards has the lowest.
And also the Vanguards have a higher death rate to C4 than both the other 2 MBTs aswell.

Well the Vanguard shield did get multiple nerfs. A buff like this would be fair and balanced towards the other 2 MBT's.

The Magrider doesn't have a turret. Try again.

The BEST we got is Terrain handling and you are complaining about your iWin shield 1 hit quit Vanguard.


pls go. and stay go

Well when I drive up a steep road in VR I don't lose any speed what so ever. Vanguard has 5-7% more armour which is incredibly small advantage against infantry.

A steep road is different from climbing a hill. again drive a magrider in an actual battle and go for that hill with your butt towards the enemy, not only do you slow down but you are exposed

*terrain handling* was a typo, (how does that even sound like turret)? lol

Vanguard revamp ideas:
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/vanguard-revamp-ideas.200799/

You don't have to have your rear exposed to the enemy you know. Can't you handle terrain facing towards your enemy?

Seems this guy understands the Vanguard has problems atleast. +1

Actually no, every try to climb a hill or mountain backwards? Yea not happening. And magburn ONLY works going forward. you should really try a mag in an actual battle

Keep the mud slinging to yourself please. Lets have a constructive discussion.

This has nothing to do with what i'm implying, Situations happen like everything.
Now back to the topic please.

This is a thinly veiled nerf the other MBT threads. Vanguard has it's own play style and you should play to it's strengths not cater to it's weaknesses. You want it to be good at everything and have no or minimal weaknesses and that is simply not fair

What the Van has
Overshield
Hard Hitting
Great Armor
Enforcer/Main cannon combo for ripping through enemy vehicles

What the Van does NOT have
High Mobility
Range
Speed

it's a trade off, you can't have everything

In the thread I posted, I suggest making the shield a passive inherent quality of the tank. It addresses the "IWIN shield" complaint but also retains the Vanguard's durability and allows the driver to use more skill to enhance the Vanguard rather than a quick button. The shield is weaker, but recharges when not taking damage. I encourage all to check it out.

The Vanguard's new ability would be a powershot, increasing the damage of the next shot, but it possibly draws power from the same system as the shield, so the shield drops as though it just took max damage and has to recharge again.