Can we buff the T9 carv already?

xicycometx · May 19, 2013

“So guys, I just wanted to state that in my personal opinion is the Carv is the "overall" weakest lmg out of the defaults when used properly. That isn't to say that it is the worst lmg in EVERY case. A lot of weapon stats are situational benefits and aren't really showing the overall picture.

Now obviously I don't plan on just stating an opinion without some backup evidence. I saw someone post how the Carv has a pretty high Score per hour compared to the other lmg's. True, but score is affected by assists which are in my opinion are irrelevent to a good gun (if it can't finish the kill then it's not a good weapon). The Carv having a high ROF and higher mag cap explains this due to the fact that you can spray more bullets at more people, but not necessarily get any kills due to its lack of accuracy.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM1E&gid=66
This page shows that the Carv actually has a decent AVERAGE KPH/DPH (Kills per hour/Death per hour) above the GAUSS SAW and under the Orion. So the Carv isn't the worst default lmg right? Wrong...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM1E&gid=60
now notice the first graph comparing the 3 default lmg's. We know that the average KPH of the Carv is above the SAW, so why does the end of the graph show that the SAW has a higher KPH. Well here is where the OTHER factors come in.
NOTE : Assumption (As player rank goes higher, we can reliably say that the AVERAGE player's skill goes higher and that the accuracy of this fact gets more reliable as rank goes farther from rank 1).
Notice how the highest ranked/most skilled players show that the carv is the worst performing of all the weapons. Why? The GAUSS SAW(The best for skilled players) allows me to comfortably say that it has the advantage of more weapon attachments which means it is better when fully utilized. The Orion (Middle performing for skilled players)on the other hand has better accuracy and handling while the carv has 50 extra bullets(These weapon stats already discussed) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AuOojvNLMApVdEtIU1NKenEzNzZOSWNaanFqSUVxLWc&gid=12
So while the carv will get you a couple extra score points with the extra bullets in the mag, it ain't going to help you shoot as effectively in most situations as the other two lmgs. The carv is probably a little better for CQB because you won't run out of ammo even if one sprays(notice how this makes it easier for lower skilled players).

As for the Orion as it is the most similar to the Carv, most players usually realize to reload right after one finishes fighting their opponents. 50 rounds is usually enough to finish off 2 people if you are actually aiming. If you are fighting anymore than 3 people at once, I doubt you will even survive to get all of your rounds off (Let's face it,1v3's are hard with any weapon). The Orion lacks bullets, but is better for its accuracy over the carv because accuracy is often times more useful in more situations than more bullets.”

I stated this on another thread, but I wanted to bring it here as well because its basically the same argument.
Basically, the Carv in my opinion falls off as compared to the other default lmg's in general. It's a bit easier for less skilled players to use because it just shoots fast and has lots of bullets, but it doesn't reward skill as much because it's less accurate compared to the other lmg's and is bad at anything that isn't CQB.

The only solutions I can think of is to either make it better at which it does best which is CQB. Or (the option i preferably want) give it some better attachments like the GAUSS SAW so it allows the players with more experience with the gun to benefit after certing it up. This will keep the base stats of the Carv the same, but increase its potential. (i just hope a new attachment would at least be an advanced forgrip because you can't compensate random horizontal recoil with skill or maybe even a 2x sight.)

Skylight · Mar 9, 2014

Bill Hicks said: ↑

“1. crap at cqc This is where the carv should be somewhat strong. But you will lose out to almost every weapon unless you get the drop on someone.

2. Crap at medium range. The perfect range for this gun is terrible. The horizontal recoil makes this certain death against anyone with even slightly good dodge skills.

3. long range. Most good players can turn any weapon into a long range weapon with patience and skill. The carv is pointless to even try.”

1. I don't know what you're smoking but at least any time I've ran around with the CARV it shreddifies people up close like nobody's business. The thing's a monster in CQC as far as I'm concerned.

2. It's decent at medium range, get a foregrip and burst-fire. And I think you're exaggerating about the horizontal recoil. Yes, it's there, no, it's not impossible to deal with.

3. If you're not using the Rhino, TMG, or AMR-66 for long-range you're heavy-assaulting wrong. It's as simple as that.

My point being the basic T9 is one of the better weapons the TR HA has access to and frankly I think you're bat**** for claiming it's terrible.

Skylight · Mar 9, 2014

Kronic said: ↑

“Said no TR player ever. Needs a buff.”

I'm a TR-only player who doesn't need or even want a buff for his favorite LMG. Am I the only one who likes this thing? I average 3.4 K/D with it :/

Epic High Five · Mar 9, 2014

Skylight said: ↑

“1. I don't know what you're smoking but at least any time I've ran around with the CARV it shreddifies people up close like nobody's business. The thing's a monster in CQC as far as I'm concerned.

2. It's decent at medium range, get a foregrip and burst-fire. And I think you're exaggerating about the horizontal recoil. Yes, it's there, no, it's not impossible to deal with.

3. If you're not using the Rhino, TMG, or AMR-66 for long-range you're heavy-assaulting wrong. It's as simple as that.

My point being the basic T9 is one of the better weapons the TR HA has access to and frankly I think you're bat**** for claiming it's terrible.”

Ever think that maybe things were different in May, 2013?

DerRosaBaron · Mar 10, 2014

Araxiumed the Carv 9, loved it. The way it is now is, personally, acceptable. Regardless, Malorn could still always buff it for us. Praise be to him.

Fox234 · Mar 13, 2014

Skylight said: ↑

“I'm a TR-only player who doesn't need or even want a buff for his favorite LMG. Am I the only one who likes this thing? I average 3.4 K/D with it :/”

I like it. I think most TR just don't understand how effect a lot of their weapons are. Most of the weapons I find useless on TR are the pay weapons.

Hoki · Mar 13, 2014

Carv is fine, user error.

jaktrobot · Mar 13, 2014

Carv is fine, its the better lmg after em6, god saw and tm 50

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