Nerf the Tank Buster FFS

You need to tankbust the back. Even if you hit 44 rounds on the side/front/top, it won't kill any tank, not an mbt nor a lightning.

For the first time you got my thumb up.
Some Liberator's weapons are crazy. Either they get nerfed or the whole vehicle has to be re-designed. Tough like a tank, flying, can have afterburners, melts vehicles in a few seconds, it's often equipped with Stealth (thanks Wrel, your "Engagement Radar of everyone" was the worst thing you could do to the game) and on Hossin can also take cover above the trees.
There is no freaking way you can get rid of a Liberator or destroy it faster than it can destroy you. Not as a ground troop, you can just take cover and call your mommy in tears. This vehicle is just designed to be vulnerable to A2A ESF, otherwise you can just be farmed. This is the only game situation where players have the only option to redeploy and are forced in a specific vehicles / loadout to have a reliable counter. No other vehicle puts in that condition.

Why is aircraft allowed to be in such a superior position to ground forces, while ground troops can just get "Air deterrance XP" is still a ******* mystery after 4 years. That's ********.

I have to add though, I never piloted Libs myself, so I can't really judge about how difficult it is to be effective with it. I only gunned in some Libs sometimes, and there it actually wasn't even very good, but this also could be just due to bad pilots, idk.

The thing is just that's it's extremely frustrating getting killed by Tank Busters, because you often have no chance at all.

Yes - has anyone stated anything else? OFC you have to hit from the rear - everyone knows that. However with max mag size you can ALMOST onemag from the front (mag/prowl) and if you have a gunner they will have an easy finish.

Additionally hitting the "rear" of the tank doesn't mean that you have to actually aim for the back of the tank... all your shots could land on the top of your target. So long as you are behind the tank and are within a 45 degree angle from the rear of the tank, you're getting rear hits.

In other words it's not actually hard to get rear hits on a tank, because you can land hits on the top or even sides of a tank and still have it count as "rear" hit.

Gee, sounds so easy, I wonder why there aren't liberators everywhere

Because ESF > Lib. It doesn't have anything to do with the Lib's ability against tanks.

Gee, I wonder why there's so few ESF pilots

Because air is the ****tiest micro-community in all of Planetside.

Also this:

is more popular than this:

TB is fine, the problem is that the platform its used on is good at everything.

this is actually a byproduct of the lack of specialization on the Air frames.

ESFs are good at dog-fighting and good as damage platforms vs vehicles and infantry. same thing can be said about the Lib, the frame is both a gunship and a bomber. and can switch roles by simply changing the way they are piloted. the problem is, this versatility is not as OP on ESFs as it is on Libs.

having a gunship in game would be fun and balanced, even with TB as it is now. if only the same frame dint need to be sturdy enough to survive a fly by bombing-run of a base. now if we had two chasis, or if the certs that specialize the frame on a role had more effect on the HP rather than just a minor effect on its handling. then we could have at least some balance.

a gunship lib can still destroy tanks and engage ESFs, but a single Airguard can chase him out. while the same Airguard would need to have perfect up time and a great positioning to even be noticed by a bomber Lib, who would die hilariously to a ESF if he were to fly without escorts.

can't have that type of balance, and maintain the current air frames. personally i think the Lib should have its bombing role completely removed, should get a huge nerf to its HP and a buff to its handling and a smaller profile. it should be a gunship. able to obliterate vehicles if left unchecked, with a good deal of armor vs AP guns so he can even trade blows with light armor, but not really made to withstand sustained AA fire. and we need need a new, proper, Bomber frame.

Gee, I wonder why, considering the amount of complaining there is against air

Firstly: There ARE liberators everywhere, and ESF's too. I don't know server you are playing on but air is plentyful.
Second: I can't help but get the impression that you are some kind of liberator fan-boy with no interest in balance as your argument is pretty much the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and go LALALALALAnot even paying attention to what is being argued.
Thridly: I don't think you even red my first post in this thread as it seems like you think I have argued for a TB nerf - I never did that - I said that the TB is fine, but ground-based AA is lacking... My post about the TB's ability was purely to correct an error posted by someone else. Just because i think the TB is fine doesn't mean I think it's O.K. to misinform about it's stats.

You're replying to Jawarisin.

Well I don't really check who a player is before replying. I don't care about that - if an argument is valid it's valid. When you put it like that all I see is three accounts with that name that are all out-of-date so I guess he left the game and took his fight to the forums.

Jawarisin is an outspoken, slightly jaded, Liberator proponent. Famously, he made a thread where he challenged to pilot for people in demonstration of how underpowered the Liberator is and there were few people who jumped at the offer.

You found the perfect adjective. I wouldn't be able to say it better myself.

First: I know everybody who flies on my sever (Emerald) and there's not many people.

Secondly, as Fate said, I'm Jaded. Jaded of what you're saying because I heard the same non-sensicall stuff for years now.

Thirdly: Nah, you were also wrong. You can only oneclip Lightning in the rear without mag upgrades. Not an MBT. So you were actually wrong by using the general word "tank' instead of specifying lightning.


As far as being active, I indeed mostly just hang with people on teamspeak now. Played on a side account a bit, but yeah, mostly ******* left sadly. Just look at this forum. There must be a 100:1 ratio of ******* to inteligent people.

Thanks for your honesty. But don't you think it's wrong and ignorant to affirm things like those in your previous post considering the above?

It doesn't matter how much they balance Libs/ESF when your faction has close to none up in the air. Emerald VS gets to choose between facing TR air dominance of 10-15 Mosis or the NC air dominance of 4-6 Libs. What is needed to be done by the Devs to start attracting Emerald VS pilots?