Reason to stay on NC?

WaaWaa · Dec 14, 2013

Ralathar44 said: ↑

“A hipfire nerf won't touch the usefulness of heavies though. It may make them less viable in CQC without using the proper weapons however, and that seems fair.”

Doesn't seem to be the case with certain LMG's on the TR/VS side on the PTS. We'll see how devastating the effect is on live I guess. Still not a fan. I'm of the mind "If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "If it's broke, fix it".

Ralathar44 · Dec 14, 2013

WaaWaa said: ↑

“Doesn't seem to be the case with certain LMG's on the TR/VS side on the PTS. We'll see how devastating the effect is on live I guess. Still not a fan. I'm of the mind "If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "If it's broke, fix it".”

Considering I didn't have bad success rates with the SAW in close quarters and that is one of the worst at it I'd say it was broken . Now I'll need to ADS in CQC instead of being able to hipfire depending on range. This will make it more lucrative to have different loadouts present and actually raise the skill cap a bit.

Ironically when choosing alternative loadouts even the Warden will likely benefit from this somewhat as it has a quick scope time. Battle Rifles still need their own buff of course, but they'll take anything they can get atm.

Epic High Five · Dec 14, 2013

Ralathar44 said: ↑

“If you paid attention I actually took your word at face value on that. Before you go saying I am making myself look bad you should actually take the time and trouble to understand what is being said. Otherwise you end up at the point you are at now, where you are arguing a point that does not exist.

To be more clear lets look at the exact statement: "Honestly someone who has played only since right after the last round of major NC nerfs, like the max nerfs, would ironically have a clearer perspective...". To spell it out all the way it says this: Honestly someone who has started playing after the last round of major NC nerfs, like the max nerfs, would ironically have a clearer perspective than someone who has played since release.

IE the person who has played since release has a better understanding of the mechanics. However they also have per-determined ideas on how various things in the game are, be they right or wrong. When things change, those ideas are resistant to change for various reasons and these reasons typically serve our own happiness. For instance one player might be outraged at nerfs/buffs and another player in the exact same situation might be in denial and think their play experience is essentially unchanged. The reality could be drastically different from what they player's perception of it is because their perception of it is highly tied to many concepts.

For instance in the case of cognitive dissonance, which I mentioned, you would tend to view the choices and side you have loyalty to more sharply and more favorably. You WON'T want to believe anything that will make you unhappy unless it's stark contrast. Yet people respond more strongly to negatives. Thus someone who is blatantly overpowered and is invested will tend to believe they are closer to balance than they are and people who may be "under-performing" will tend to think that they are better than they are in some way. IE "we are not UP", "we are UP but we are more skilled and make up for it", "etc".

Once such a mentality is formed it is then very subject to confirmation bias. IE the idea that once you have made a judgement you will favor it. A realistic example would be that you have already decided that X vehicle is balanced. You find out new facts that make it more powerful with proper understanding. You are more likely to still think it is balanced than if you were judging the situation for the first time. The more times you argue something the more invested you become and the more invested you become the less likely you are to change your mind.

It's a sticky wicket really and difficult to avoid even if aware of such things since they are a natural part of our thought process that requires awareness and effort to mitigate. Notice I say mitigate not overcome because no matter how good you are you will still have some tiny amount of bias.

These types of things are why someone with absolutely no previous experience and no investment in something gives more honest/accurate opinions on something generally.

Hard to say, it's a niche weapon. You'd have to try and evaluate how good at fulfilling it's niche it is and how valuable fulfilling that niche is. Then you'd have to do the same for the other weapons. People seem to polarize on the Phoenix and either think it's great or it's way underpowered. My personal opinion is that it is a useful piece of equipment in it's current state. Not useful as much as the other two, but fulfilling a niche that is unavailable to the other two factions. A niche that can be quite powerful in select situations.

No, that's simply hyperbole. To give an exact comparison I would say "Dimly lit gives the notion that it's neigh pitch black and that is not the case." Anyone that has had to deal with candles in a power outage before knows how huge of a difference there is between dimly lit and pitch black. The difference between underpowered and neigh useless is similarly large.

Try not to take every hyperbole on the internet seriously .

So to summarize: they are not underpowered but they are abandoned by the devs who need to fix the empire imbalances so that people will start playing NC again?

It's plain you do not understand what I am saying, but this actually suggests that you do not understand what you yourself are saying either lol. There are two types of balance changes they can make that affect the NC, changes that help the NC or changes that hurt the NC. Hurting the NC further will not bring people back so I'm assuming we are talking about changes that will help the NC. IE buffs to NC or nerfs to other factions.

Since this means buffs, why are things buffed? Things are buffed because they are not competitive, IE underpowered. If things are nerfed then that means that they were eclipsing their competition, IE overpowered. If other factions are nerfed, it is the same thing as the NC getting buffed as they are stronger by comparison afterwards, and thus were underpowered.

I look forwards to your response, considering your actions till now I expect it to be somewhat entertaining. Though honestly I half-expect you to cherry pick 1-2 small things and attempt to ignore the rest .”

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DA NC RULEZ

#BONUSCHECKS
#SLUGLYFE
#FREESNUGGLES

Devrailis · Dec 14, 2013

Epic High Five said: ↑

“TOO LONG DIDN'T READ

DA NC RULEZ

#BONUSCHECKS
#SLUGLYFE
#FREESNUGGLES”

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