Let's play 'Spot the OP Pounders'

I had to read today again a few times that Pounders are considered OP. So here is a list of MAX weapons sorted by average kills per hour and vehicle kills per hour. Data was taken from http://ps2oraclestats.com/ which uses the last 30 days (more or less this month) . Maybe this will shed some light on the subject.

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Avg KPH/ Avg KPU/ Avg V KPH/ Avg V KPU
35,09    8,71    0,08    0,02    AF-34 Mattock-Right
33,16    6,69    0,08    0,02    NCM1 Scattercannon-Right
32,45    8,53    0,08    0,02    AF-34 Mattock-Left
28,99    6,08    0,09    0,02    AF-23 Grinder-Right
27,46    6,91    0,11    0,03    Quasar VM1-Right
27,43    6,31    0,08    0,02    AF-23 Grinder-Left
27,42    7,23    0,07    0,02    AF-41 Hacksaw-Right
27,11    7,21    0,09    0,03    Nebular VM20-Right
27,01    7,13    0,10    0,03    Blueshift VM5-Right
26,99    7,28    0,10    0,03    Blueshift VM5-Left
26,82    7,29    0,07    0,02    AF-41 Hacksaw-Left
26,47    7,46    0,10    0,03    Nebular VM20-Left
26,47    6,76    0,12    0,03    M6 Onslaught-Right
26,18    6,32    0,13    0,03    Cosmos VM3-Right
25,49    6,90    0,10    0,03    M6 Onslaught-Left
24,63    5,42    0,14    0,03    M1 Heavy Cycler-Right
23,65    6,21    0,11    0,03    MRC3 Mercy-Left
23,57    6,03    0,12    0,03    MRC3 Mercy-Right
23,36    5,55    0,13    0,03    M2 Mutilator-Right
23,19    6,17    0,11    0,03    Cosmos VM3-Left
21,33    5,45    0,12    0,03    M2 Mutilator-Left
19,17    4,54    0,13    0,03    Quasar VM1-Left
17,75    3,83    0,09    0,02    NCM1 Scattercannon-Left
17,57    3,89    0,12    0,03    M1 Heavy Cycler-Left
17,09    5,15    2,90    0,87    M3 Pounder HEG-Left
13,82    4,09    2,19    0,65    M3 Pounder HEG-Right
10,28    3,70    3,53    1,27    Comet VM2-Left
 9,35    3,23    2,69    0,93    Comet VM2-Right
 9,23    3,68    4,88    1,95    NCM3 Raven-Right
 9,09    3,02    3,41    1,13    NCM2 Falcon-Left
 8,75    3,54    4,58    1,85    NCM3 Raven-Left
 8,60    2,69    2,35    0,73    NCM2 Falcon-Right
 6,99    2,96    4,28    1,82    Vortex VM21-Right
 5,92    2,65    3,37    1,51    Vortex VM21-Left
 5,20    2,16    3,27    1,36    MR1 Fracture-Right
 5,07    2,14    3,18    1,34    MR1 Fracture-Left

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Avg KPH/ Avg KPU/ Avg V KPH/ Avg V KPU
 9,23    3,68    4,88    1,95    NCM3 Raven-Right
 8,75    3,54    4,58    1,85    NCM3 Raven-Left
 6,99    2,96    4,28    1,82    Vortex VM21-Right
10,28    3,70    3,53    1,27    Comet VM2-Left
 9,09    3,02    3,41    1,13    NCM2 Falcon-Left
 5,92    2,65    3,37    1,51    Vortex VM21-Left
 5,20    2,16    3,27    1,36    MR1 Fracture-Right
 5,07    2,14    3,18    1,34    MR1 Fracture-Left
17,09    5,15    2,90    0,87    M3 Pounder HEG-Left
 9,35    3,23    2,69    0,93    Comet VM2-Right
 8,60    2,69    2,35    0,73    NCM2 Falcon-Right
13,82    4,09    2,19    0,65    M3 Pounder HEG-Right
24,63    5,42    0,14    0,03    M1 Heavy Cycler-Right
26,18    6,32    0,13    0,03    Cosmos VM3-Right
23,36    5,55    0,13    0,03    M2 Mutilator-Right
19,17    4,54    0,13    0,03    Quasar VM1-Left
26,47    6,76    0,12    0,03    M6 Onslaught-Right
23,57    6,03    0,12    0,03    MRC3 Mercy-Right
21,33    5,45    0,12    0,03    M2 Mutilator-Left
17,57    3,89    0,12    0,03    M1 Heavy Cycler-Left
27,46    6,91    0,11    0,03    Quasar VM1-Right
23,65    6,21    0,11    0,03    MRC3 Mercy-Left
23,19    6,17    0,11    0,03    Cosmos VM3-Left
27,01    7,13    0,10    0,03    Blueshift VM5-Right
26,99    7,28    0,10    0,03    Blueshift VM5-Left
26,47    7,46    0,10    0,03    Nebular VM20-Left
25,49    6,90    0,10    0,03    M6 Onslaught-Left
28,99    6,08    0,09    0,02    AF-23 Grinder-Right
27,11    7,21    0,09    0,03    Nebular VM20-Right
17,75    3,83    0,09    0,02    NCM1 Scattercannon-Left
35,09    8,71    0,08    0,02    AF-34 Mattock-Right
33,16    6,69    0,08    0,02    NCM1 Scattercannon-Right
32,45    8,53    0,08    0,02    AF-34 Mattock-Left
27,43    6,31    0,08    0,02    AF-23 Grinder-Left
27,42    7,23    0,07    0,02    AF-41 Hacksaw-Right
26,82    7,29    0,07    0,02    AF-41 Hacksaw-Left

Pounders perform on par with the worst ai weapons for kph but perform the worst at av, their intended role

The first chart pretty much hits the main complaints against the Pounders - best KPH and KPU of MAX AV weapons.
The second chart pretty much hits the counterpoints against the complaints - worst Vehicle KPH and Vehicle KPU of MAX AV weapons.
Everything seems in order here.

The funny part is that Fractures actually do have more Vehicle kills than Pounders by a really small margin, and Fractures are still low in MAX AV pecking order.

They are unbalanced as the data shows.

They need rebalancing to be less effective versus infantry and more effective versus vehicles

While I believe I would like for this to happen, but not that I believe the trade would ever be performed in any decent manner, the use of the word "need" is bothersome. What promotes this issue to being a "need?"

Unfortunately, looking at 'rebalances' of the past in this game a balance pass against the Pounders will make them very bad at killing infantry and merely bad at killing vehicles.

Maybe because when all is said and done they have the highest avg kills of all Max weapons. Including AI weapons.
And since we know those kills are not from vehicles it must come from them way over performing in an AI role

I mean people complain about how strong Hacksaws are and they are an AI weapon with 8000ish kills
While Pounders have over 12000 with less uniques

I don't know whats supposed to be so bad about the pounders.

When I'm using lockdown I can easily kill any Vehicle around that ain't farther than 100m and/or not moving and doesn't bother shooting back.

Maybe I am getting old, but last I checked neither 13 nor 17 is larger than 35.

Unless I am mistaken about the meaning of KPU, which I think means Kills Per Use, the kills that you score before dying, that is an impressive inability to read stats.
KPU Pounders is 5.15 and 4.09 for an average of 4,62 KPU.
KPU Mattock is 8,53 and 8,71 for an average of 8,62 KPU.

The Mattocks perform 86.6% better.

I don't think you are.
Statistically a Mattock MAX outperforms a Pounder MAX with his right hand tied behind his back.

Kills - Daily sum of kills of the particular weapon
Uniques - Daily sum of unique killers of the particular weapon - i.e to be a unique, at least one kill has been made with that weapon.
KPU - Kills per Unique, i.e Kills / Uniques. For normal-high usage weapons, this is a performance stat and not a usage stat, as the average KPU is calculated on a per period basis (one day)

KILLS .. Not Kpu or Kph. Raw standard kills

I mean if Pounders are not scoring more daily kills than even AI weapons then tell me

Oh, no. I'm not saying they are bad now. Lockdown pounders are still good at killing vehicles like sunderers. I believe that after the nerf even lockdown pounders will be bad at killing vehicles.

I see.

But this is like saying: a weapon that kills 10 people in 10 minutes is ok, but a weapon that kill 100 people in 200 minutes is OP ... hmm, interesting.

Yes you are mistaken, and I was talking Avg daily kills not KPU ..

But wouldnt you agree that them scoring more kills than any other Max weapon including designated AI weapons shows that they are over performing in an AI role that should be addressed ?

No, it just shows that they are used more often and longer.

Only reason why pounders are so high is because its a AI weapon, its like rocket pods for a max.

Of all 3 first gen AV max weapons pounders are the worst by far in performing theyre role.

Give a list of vehicle kills and i bet the numbers are diffrent .

But why ?
Could them being used longer be down to how they over perform versus AI, while also leaving you able to deal with other Maxs and vehicles ?
People dont tend to use weapons that are performing badly.

But yes most people know Pounders could do with a rebalance, whether they get it or not I will not bet on

Correct. Which is why TR does not use Fractures, because according to the chart above, it's useless. The AI arms are also the worst performing according to the chart above. The right arm Onslaught is the best we have? LOL.

Why complain just about pounder AI work? According to this chart, there are major deficiencies in the TR MAX arsenal that needs to be addressed as well. Nerf pounder AI. Mercies need a serious buff. They are the TR version of Blueshifts/Mattocks. Fractures also need a massive buff.

Also, NC gets best AI weapons and best AV weapons? That's unfair. Nerf Ravens, nerf Mattocks.