Would you accept being a mid-level dps if you still had proper value in a raid?

There are already 4 utility classes, don't need more.
Conjurors should be slightly below wizards in terms of dps, with slighlty more utility.

Dan wrote:

they should be slightly below equally skilled (and geared) wizards if they have slightly more utility.

Honestly, both summoners should do the same damage as sorcs. Cause the bottom line is, utility is either seen as must have (Bards/Chanters) or nice to have but you wont miss it if its not there (Rogues/Summoners). In that case, the Summoner/Rogue spots are going to be the first to be replaced by other classes because in today's game DPS is king in the minds of most raiders. You are going to keep your essential utility and your T1, and there will be no spots for anything else. This was the case in RoK and TSO. Though rogues were doing a little bit better than summoners in general. (some raids would use one of each, while the rule for summoners was only one maybe if you felt like it, but you might as well have gotten a wizard or warlock instead.) Mind you, not saying we couldn't parse then cause we could, but mindset and attitudes are alot and the fact was even if you could play, spots were limited and hard to come by compared to pretty much any other mage class.
The mixed bag jack of all trades is the worst spot to be in. We need a strong firm role that we can do well and DPS is the only one that really suits us right now unless we want to be Chanters v2.0 and I don't think anyone wants that. If they have to give more utility to sorcs or strip some of ours to make this okay then thats fine. We just have to have a clear purpose thats understood and appreciated and DPS right now is that purpose and is a more solid one than the nebulous and often under appreciated gains from utility.
My thoughts on the subject.

Shalin@Runnyeye wrote:

Isnt that a given on anything in terms of balance...always thought it was.

Bigron@Unrest wrote:

yes but the OP basically gave us a "what if next expansion" - question

Alfeo wrote:

This sums it up pretty dang well.

Wasuna wrote:

You sir, are playing with poor players.

You do have a point though. Utlity classes don't WANT to be utility, so why should summoners?