Velious and the Vampires!

ARCHIVED-Morghus · Dec 4, 2010

DrkVsr wrote:

“Has it occured to Mayong haters that the reason he keeps coming back is because he simply lowers himself to the level of the players so he doesn't actualy get killed, just his plans are thwarted/overcome/met”

That's just a part of the problem. We can't win against him. So what if we set him back a step or two, maybe he has another plan or more working in the background, maybe he pretended to lose, maybe he wanted us to win, maybe what we did was part of his plan all along. It just gets worse from there. The simple fact of the matter is, that it isn't fun to go up against something....when the only option is failure.

ARCHIVED-Rezikai · Dec 4, 2010

Morghus wrote:

“Rezikai wrote:

“Circadian@Unrest wrote:

“I am SO sick of everything surrounding Mayong. Where is the ingenuity?!?!”

Eh idk, Mayongs been in the background for the better of 2 expacs. TsO was Ethernaughts/Miragul/Ykesha/Anashti and now we have SF thats more Theer/Odus based. Even before that Mayong was in the shadows of RoK only making an appearance at the end. Only his drachnids were of any focal point (and not a huge one) of RoK.
So I'd say its been since EoF since Mayong's really had anything really surrounding him. Sounds like you and Mor are Mayong haters because he's sunch a lynchpin character that the devs like to use. And tbh i'm glad that he's such an important character as he's one of the original hunting party with Lucan and Zazoo. They have their own lines and so does he, but saying everything is always based off of him is a bit of a stretch imo.
That said I can see how easily it'd be to "overuse" the character. I agree w/ Rain saying he should be the shadowy Lord of Darkness never getting his own hands dirty but with an ear and eye of things around, and I agree that Mayong himself has taken on a persona so large that he himself is an icon of the EverQuest franchise to where he is recognized in the MMO community easily which link him the EQ brand. Keeping him powerfull and keeping the character selling is something SOE could do right. In EQ1 they did this to a point... but as silly as it was to allow players to kill gods in their own planes they let him be killed to.... sad really.
-fist pump for vamps-”

The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.
As I said in my previous post:
He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.
Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?

If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.
They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.
Take for example:
Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.
Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.
see below
All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.
I do agree we should have, i also assume its because the turnover of the core of the leads at EQ2 had left during RoK. so the new crew had to put stuff together for TsO. For what they did, doomcookie and such they did ok for most things (ools backlore aside)
Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.
it was mentioned what happened to him and his crew in Ravenscale Repository when the scientists talk to the image of Mayong
Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.
Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.
assumptions, which I doubt he will be put back to sleep. -shrugs- an assumption on my part he wont but again neither of us could say we know, only the wyrm queen does.
All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.
your personal pref for those charcaters i suppose.
Myself I prefer Elddar Dal /Elder Age / EQoA lore, with tales of the Legendary 3 paladins, lore of the Dragon Wars of the Elddar empire the Elddar elves refered to as the "Old Days" when they cleared Tunaria of the dragon menace. Of the Elven hero weilding the Heart Reaver that slain Tarinax but the hero's name was lost to history, of Tal'Thex the ancient Elddar citadel guarded by stone guardians we seen in Venril's room to protect the Pagoda from outsiders b/c it held the Elddar's darkest magic secrets. These ties along with Lucan D'leres daughter /wife/ Teir'Dal of his family. I'd love if they delved into it but they dont hell they dont even give much
I'd prefer this over Mayong's lore but I dont mind its focused more on him in the last 7 years then that ancient era/characters.”

ARCHIVED-Rainy · Dec 4, 2010

Morghus wrote:

“Rezikai wrote:
The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.
As I said in my previous post:
He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.
Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?

If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.
They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.
Take for example:
Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.
Barakah and Siyamak we kill in the pedestal of Sky. the Djinn Master is immortal..but through all the interactions with him through the expansion make it blatantly obvious he don't give 2 copper about anything outside his palace or deals he specifically makes with people that come to him
Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.
Venril can't die, because he's a lich. you can't kill him without destroying his phylactery...and once again his concerns are with Kunark, and the Ring/Rile. Selrach may very well be dead.
All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.
the only one presumed perma dead is Trakanon. wether or not the rest of the ring is dead or if say Phara'Dar resumed power is up for debate, but once again they are concerned with the Sathirian Empire, and nothing more. they are in the middle of a war.
Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.
Malkonis' group was decimated, though Malkonis himself escaped. this is explained in the Repository, and Mayong says he'll deal with him later.
Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.
Woushi in the lore leading to EoF, is painted as being corrupt/having his own plans for the Bloom. Slaying Woushi is more of an act of prevent what he might do, rather then anything he is doing.
Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.
Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.
All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.
Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.
Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.
and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.
the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.
Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.
He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.
Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.”

ARCHIVED-Morghus · Dec 4, 2010

Like I said, I am basing it on prior experience. I have little to no doubt that Kerafyrm will be either 'a' or 'the' raid boss of the expansion, as such, unless he makes multiple appearances throughought Velious, either via instances, quests, or otherwise....he will have very little exposition and will remain invisible for the entirety of the expansion. An unseen threat, with nothing but talk about him, and no real visible evidence of him being an actual threat.
Such is the nature of figures in the lore that are made raid mobs. They get a one-liner or two at most and nothing more. No explanation of their motivations, no explanation of their recent conquests, or how they became such a great and present threat that you must face them now. Why we are even really at odds with them aside from this quest says you go here and kill stuff.
I mean, aside from our mythical weapons....we apparently kill our way through Veeshan's Peak because some custodian said so? Really?
And you misunderstand my other point. I have no personal preference to those characters, so much as a deep seated irritation at multiple missed opportunities to have more than just one or two big players in the story. However, they obviously are hastily written out of being viable story or plot hooks so that Mayong and Nagafen cannot have their positions usurped.
There are just many loose ends as far as introduced characters go, and missed opportunities to expand on such. I mean I was pretty sure there was some kind of relationship between Venekor, Toxxulia, and Trakanon hinted at somewhere, and that Venekor ikely is not gone for good. Yet not only have we not seen anything of him, but the other two characters in relation to him have little to no substance or impact on the story aside from being killed, and in Toxxulia's case, mentally imprisoned.
I fully expect for example, that Delahnus from SF will have no mention at all in Velious or beyond, despite there being hints from Devs at there being more to that, as quite a bit gets put on some backburner and forgotten.
It just irritates me when things are hinted at, or given very little explanation, as though it will later lead into something greater, and then there simply being nothing. It would be like the story revolving around Aeteok and Enoxus never being resolved. What if everything referring to those two blades ended with Swords of Destiny/Claymore and nothing ever came from that despite how much is hinted at or built up around them?
Clearly that is not the case, but what if it was? What if the void invasion just came and went with no reasoning, if Roehn Theer never appeared in the lore outside of being mentioned here and there and the blades are never mentioned again.

ARCHIVED-Morghus · Dec 4, 2010

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

“Morghus wrote:

“Rezikai wrote:
The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.
As I said in my previous post:
He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.
Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?

If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.
They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.
Take for example:
Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.
Barakah and Siyamak we kill in the pedestal of Sky. the Djinn Master is immortal..but through all the interactions with him through the expansion make it blatantly obvious he don't give 2 copper about anything outside his palace or deals he specifically makes with people that come to him
Yes, I know that. We kill them so that their power is siphoned by the Djinn Master as no other option is ever given in that regard. Immortality does not mean something cannot die, and I am fairly certain he is killed as we specifically use the Djinn's weakness to music to defeat him.
Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.
Venril can't die, because he's a lich. you can't kill him without destroying his phylactery...and once again his concerns are with Kunark, and the Ring/Rile. Selrach may very well be dead.
Through questlines, we end up sabotaging him by displacing his original phylactery and replacing it with a fraud. We also end up with Rile's true phylactery as well.
All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.
the only one presumed perma dead is Trakanon. wether or not the rest of the ring is dead or if say Phara'Dar resumed power is up for debate, but once again they are concerned with the Sathirian Empire, and nothing more. they are in the middle of a war.
In order to even reach Trakanon, one must gain access to his personal chambers by slaying each and every one of the other major inhabitants of Veeshan's Peak. There is no way around this.
Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.
Malkonis' group was decimated, though Malkonis himself escaped. this is explained in the Repository, and Mayong says he'll deal with him later.
Fair enough, it makes sense given his disappearing acts in the past.
Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.
Woushi in the lore leading to EoF, is painted as being corrupt/having his own plans for the Bloom. Slaying Woushi is more of an act of prevent what he might do, rather then anything he is doing.
A contradictory disconnect between the lore and what is presented in-game. In-game he does not present himself as being corrupt, and all the denizens of the Emerald Halls readily rush to his aid, and he himself wields some powers shared by the Avatar of Growth itself. Were he truly corrupt, The Avatar would have likely stripped him of such power, and then there is also the issue with all the inhabitants being loyal to him, which has the unfortunate implication that the whole entirety of the Emerald Halls is corrupt.
Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.
Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.
To whom, I wonder as their rightful owner Theer, is gone at the moment.
All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.
Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.
Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.
and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.
the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.
Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.
He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.
Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.
Only because they are specifically written as such. Poorly written plot-lines often rely on contractual stupidy/short-sightedness from normally competent individuals that they no longer wish to write about.”

”

ARCHIVED-KniteShayd · Dec 4, 2010

Personally, I don't mind the Vamps. I was ok with the idea since Bloodline Chronicles, and was hoping it would happen back then.
I am a little disappointed that it seems to have implications that point elsewhere, as I was hoping thet this would involve the Ydal and their backlore.
I am just curious atm to see what the models look like.

ARCHIVED-Katz · Dec 4, 2010

Cusashorn wrote:

“Some of us on the lore channel have already started seeking out the Destroyer of Vampires title.”

Oh....thanks! You just gave my main a new goal.

ARCHIVED-Wilin · Dec 5, 2010

Cusashorn wrote:

“Wilin wrote:

“Could it be? http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=489434”

It could, but I doubt it, since it's a few years late to follow on that, and it would sort of mean a mandatory change for every player of every race in the game, and so far all we know is this "One Per Account" thing until we get more info.”

You're trying to make an argument based on several ideas that are full of uncertainty.
First, there's nothing that says the effect of past actions cannot appear somewhere down the line. So, the "few years" argument doesn't hold much water. All past lore is fair game for use. That's also why there is no such thing as a necropost on the lore forums.
Second, storytelling is not an exact science. The lore could easily be written so that everyone is cursed, but only a select few will manifest the transformation. Hence, 1/account.
And Gninja already weighed in on my thread above (just a month ago) and called you on your denial that there are implications of the NotD activities.
So, I could be totally wrong or I could be partially wrong(maybe we won't end up exhibiting both vampire and werewolf traits at some point). All we have at this point is that Gninja has disagreed with your denial and some possible reinforcement in this thread along with the announcement of this vampire race. All of this doesn't necessarily mean I was right, but it's encouraging.

ARCHIVED-Cusashorn · Dec 5, 2010

All GNinja did was remind me of the Erollisi day lore, which I admit i had slipped my mind at the time when I posted and said that no holiday other than Frostfell had any lingering effect on the rest of the world so far. So far, NoTD hasn't, and I still doubt it ever will.

ARCHIVED-Darth Stomper · Dec 5, 2010

Morghus wrote:

“Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

“Morghus wrote:

“Rezikai wrote:
Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.
Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.
To whom, I wonder as their rightful owner Theer, is gone at the moment.
To whom, indeed. I have my suspicions...
All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.
Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.
Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.
and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.
the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.
Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.
He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.
Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.
Only because they are specifically written as such. Poorly written plot-lines often rely on contractual stupidy/short-sightedness from normally competent individuals that they no longer wish to write about.
Of course there's always the big question...when we do find out his intentions, will we actually want to sabotage them...?”

”

”

ARCHIVED-Uncaged · Dec 5, 2010

Cusashorn wrote:

“All GNinja did was remind me of the Erollisi day lore, which I admit i had slipped my mind at the time when I posted and said that no holiday other than Frostfell had any lingering effect on the rest of the world so far. So far, NoTD hasn't, and I still doubt it ever will.”

Actually, I believe Gninja was responding to your claim NotD and other seasonal events were not tied to canon in anyway and specifically was referring to NotD when he said "Are you sure?". Perhaps this is indeed where the lore will trace back to. A attack before we entered the haunted house.

ARCHIVED-Foolsfolly · Dec 5, 2010

So, the Vampire race will only be available to accounts that have paid status in December-February? That sucks. My account is stuck on "Pending" status so I don't get paid account rewards, and it won't let me switch to paid until this expires in April. It was annoying missing out on LoN monthly cards, but losing out on a whole race just because your system won't let me pay is really unfair

ARCHIVED-Xalmat · Dec 5, 2010

Foolsfolly wrote:

“So, the Vampire race will only be available to accounts that have paid status in December-February? That sucks. My account is stuck on "Pending" status so I don't get paid account rewards, and it won't let me switch to paid until this expires in April. It was annoying missing out on LoN monthly cards, but losing out on a whole race just because your system won't let me pay is really unfair”

Pending means you are paid up until your subscription expires.

ARCHIVED-Foolsfolly · Dec 5, 2010

Well I hope you're right...but the fact that I'm not getting LoN cards due to un-paying account still gives me cause to worry

ARCHIVED-Rainy · Dec 5, 2010

As to the originator of the Freebloods, there are seemingly 2 likely suspects. Tserrina, and Marcus Thex.
the other vampire clans...the D'morte, and T'haen's brood...seem to have thier own ties to Mayong. Malkonis and T'haen both were looking to usurp power. now D'morte supposedly come from the Ewer...but T'haen I don't think we learn his origin. for all we know he's one of mayong's 'children'. Tserrina is a child of mayong, and supposed former lover. alot of the info we have on vampirism implies very much a dracula/anne rice type format. once your turned, your no longer a human in any way physically besides your appearance. you can feel emotion..but that's about the only 'human' thing about you.
the name freeblood may imply that they are the brood/allied to Marcus, the former freethinker turned vampire by clan leaders in evernight abbey. perhaps we'll find out that Leyna and Marcus are back together and are ruling over thier own brood as mother/father figures.
My money though is that Tserrina is the originator of the Freebloods. she seems the kind that respects mayong, even if she doesn't want anything to do with him..so she's not against him, but doesn't work for/with him. hence her brood are 'free' to do as they please. Tserrina isn't looking to overthrow anyone or usurp mayong or the like. she's content in her Tower...insane with a severe case of OCD about her wedding day.

ARCHIVED-Jaremai · Dec 5, 2010

Re: the race being once "per account"
I think that means the racial unlock, since it impacts the account as a whole so you can create new vampires. I am going to guess (perhaps incorrectly) that other people will have to do a quest to unlock the race (remember frogloks), but the rest of us get it as a gimme.
That aside.. ttobey said they have toes. From a character model point of view, that's huge to me since I run around barefoot. Unless they're fugly, I can see a race change or two in my future.

ARCHIVED-DeBasilisk · Dec 5, 2010

My hope is that it's not a perfectly new race, with a city and all that entails, but like Cusa suggested, simply a template you can apply to one of your characters. Freeblood doesn't sound evil to me. To me it implies that it's a vampire who has broken free of the curse to their master, but retains vampiric properties. From an rp perspective, players think of their character as having been bitten in, say, the NOTD, and then freed themselves of the need for blood, allegiance to other vampires etc.
That's my guess. I'd say likely template characteristics would be red eyes, no reflection in any mirror, pale skin, minor stat bonus during night or moon...stuff like that.
I've personally never been fond of vampires in EQ, but they've been there since the beginning so who can argue?
If it is a template and not an alt, I'll apply it to my Iksar Necro and say I stumbled across an ancient manuscript written by Chosooth and underwent the ritual myself in a bid for power. That lore is cool for me. =)

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ARCHIVED-kelvmor · Dec 6, 2010

Non-SOGA Ogres have toes. See? The big toe is even seperate from the rest of them.

ARCHIVED-Iskandar · Dec 6, 2010

Cusashorn wrote:

“Actually, in regard to the dialogue posted above, I'm wondering WHEN that dialogue was put into EQlive. I don't remember any NPC's that made judgements based on what you said next right up to the Omens of War xpac. It's possible this is a retcon made in EQlive's own timeline.”

If I recall correctly, that was from the flagging quests in Depths of Darkhollow... part of gaining access to Mayong's citadel in Dreadspire Keep.

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